Project Blueprint

Dazz · 25 Jul 2002, 22:55 (Ref:342925)

I have been reading in mainly the specialist media lately, that a lot of Ford fans are opposed to giving the Commodore the Falcons front end, saying that they are already dominating so why do they need the Falcons superior front suspension.

Has anyone thought about the opposite though. On paper the Falcon has a supposedly better designed front end, but in practice it seems very inconsistant. This could be due to an aero effect but lets assume that it is basically due to the mechanical design.

Thus, when the Commodore gets this front end, might we see the same inconsistancy appear with them? It is food for thought isn't it.

Buckshot · 25 Jul 2002, 23:33 (Ref:342956)

I remember when the Bridgstone control tyre was being introduced how everyone was carrying on about about how much more close the racing would be.

Now we have extremely close racing but now everyone is whinging that there is no passing.

While I think Project Blueprint is a good way to go about parity I can see that the field will still be just as close if not closer but still, no-one will be able to pass and the usual guys will be on top.

I really hope Project Blueprint works but realistically I can't see it changing the currect status quo too much.

Onlooker · 25 Jul 2002, 23:55 (Ref:342986)

All project blue print will do is remove the excusses used by some teams,same as control tyres same winners same losers less whinging

StuiE · 26 Jul 2002, 06:52 (Ref:343152)

Hmmm....Like Buckshot said, they said the control tyres would create more over taking.My veiw is this: we need differences in cars so that some cars will be good in some areas, and others good in other areas, so that there can be overtaking, if all the cars are the same, no one will be able to get an advantage in any area (Holden v Ford) atho HRT will always be at the front. Maybe HRT trying to develop Frod suspension might slow them a lil

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Onlooker · 26 Jul 2002, 22:53 (Ref:343696)

I'm with you gtr69
the more changes as in diff ratio's gearbox ratios etc the more difference in reletive performance between the cars.As it stands now the same guys race each other down the feild each round and by giving more freedoms you create the oppurtunity to mix this up.You will never get a car to come from rear of field to the front but simply allow for different theorys to be explored with i'm sure varying results.Nobdy is going to knock TWR of week in week out at the moment but a few will have the chance to stand in the sun from time to time.

DNQ · 27 Jul 2002, 00:53 (Ref:343754)

I am honestly amazed with these advantages that are being handed out to Holden ... time will tell, but common components will strip Ford of their only advantages. V8 Supercars aren't NASCAR we must remember.

Jack racer · 27 Jul 2002, 10:43 (Ref:343902)

What have ford got to look forward to.

D.R.T. · 27 Jul 2002, 11:46 (Ref:343921)

Maybe getting beaten and dominated for while the v8 supercar series continues

Monaro · 27 Jul 2002, 11:58 (Ref:343926)

With project blueprint all cars will have Ford front suspensions Holden front trays Ford diffs, same gearbox same weight even engine blocks are similar.The only differance will be TWR still has more money and 5 cars to test and develop.60 test days to 24 days for most other teams.They will still WIN.

Onlooker · 27 Jul 2002, 12:48 (Ref:343952)

Nobody gets Ford suspension but they both get Fors "style" suspension so as not to give ford an advantage.
They do how ever both get "holden" rear suspension so as not to disadvantage Holden
Holden get a new block,heads,therefore manifold and exhurst
Ford had ther big engine mod last year when they all had to get new starter motors,flywheel,clutch and bell housing.
Seems fair????

racer69 · 27 Jul 2002, 13:09 (Ref:343962)

To me it is a shame that this is turning into a chassis with a body formula, basically a siloutte formula, rather than a Touring Car forumla.

Alan Jones · 27 Jul 2002, 21:52 (Ref:344172)

Me too, it makes a joke of the biggest selling point they have doesn't it. Holden versus Ford, not Holden with Ford parts versus Ford with Holden parts. Sheesh!
Parity will always be a issue unless they follow " Blueprint" but it does seem a little ludicrous.

Onlooker · 27 Jul 2002, 22:25 (Ref:344199)

But none of the parts concerned have ever come from any manufacturer Ford or Holden

Jack racer · 28 Jul 2002, 07:10 (Ref:344352)

I still like the was the BTCC have gone wityh the weight penalty's. When does the BA get used as a race car.

Onlooker · 29 Jul 2002, 04:23 (Ref:344973)

Next year.

Jack racer · 29 Jul 2002, 06:23 (Ref:345005)

Does anyone have any airo info on the new ford is there anything for ford teams to look forward to.

Onlooker · 29 Jul 2002, 06:30 (Ref:345006)

Same thing that GRM,CPR,Morris,JFR,and all the others have to look forward to. A big job to bring down a very well organised operation.
Answer me this-How would a faster car have helped Ambrose shave 20 seconds of the pit stop that removed any chance of him winning?

elephino · 29 Jul 2002, 10:40 (Ref:345159)

I don't remember anyone in authority saying having a control tyre would make more overtaking. It was actually 'closer racing'. Which it has done. The cars are now so even it is extremely hard instead of very hard to overtake.

William Dale Jr · 30 Jul 2002, 06:24 (Ref:345994)

I think the decision makers came from the school of thought that 'closer racing' would mean 'more overtaking', which, of course, isn't necessarily true is it?

Bomn · 30 Jul 2002, 10:31 (Ref:346160)

Whats the point ? These idiots will only hold the blueprint upsidedown.

Rhys_00 · 30 Jul 2002, 12:30 (Ref:346248)

haha bomn!
whats the point in having a category that pits Holden and Ford against each other if they make them almost identical anyway? i thought the whole idea was that Holden or Ford was better, doesnt that encourage the other to make a better car next time?

now holden and ford know that no matter how **** their VY/BA (respectively) is, it will get brought up to the mark with competition anyway, which kinda defeats the purpose i think

Onlooker · 31 Jul 2002, 03:19 (Ref:346851)

Ther hasn't been a car that reflected the manufacturer for near 20 years so why worry now?

Dazz · 31 Jul 2002, 04:12 (Ref:346864)

Quote:

Originally posted by Onlooker
Ther hasn't been a car that reflected the manufacturer for near 20 years so why worry now?

In some ways it would be closer to 30 years since we had true showroom vehicles racing. And even then a lot of those vehicles were hand walked down the production line so they were just a little more equal than all the rest!

Crash Test · 31 Jul 2002, 05:29 (Ref:346885)

Even the P in GTP doesn't stand for Production any more... personally, I think that is the balls up of the century, making it a parity class. Then again, I suppose the best car has to carry the most lead, and has a rev limit of about 2000rpm

Amaroo Park · 31 Jul 2002, 07:36 (Ref:346912)

Quote:

Originally posted by DNQ
I am honestly amazed with these advantages that are being handed out to Holden ... time will tell, but common components will strip Ford of their only advantages. V8 Supercars aren't NASCAR we must remember.

Your kidding right? From the moment this formula has started there has not been effective mangment of the rules of the category, And Ford has benifited just as much as Holden.

When Seton first raced a Falcon at Sandown, Bathurst and Adelaide GP in 1992 he presented the car at each meeting with a different aero kit. Thus giving Ford more ontrack testing before Homolgation papers where submitted at the end of the year. The Commodore raced with no front splitter and a shalow angle rear wing until mid 1993 when CAMS adressed the problem. Ford at that time demanded that they should be no mid season Homolagation changes agian. If only Ford had stuck to that since.

But then as we know in latter times we have had both Holden and Ford screaming parity and getting things changed on the cars.

What are the differences in the cars now. Well just engine, front suspension and body shape. So really only 3.

We are fast getting a formula that is looking very simular to NASCAR. But I don't see the problem as NASCAR is the best Sedan Championship in the World.

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