2014 NASCAR Cup regular season - Page 26

TRspitfirefan · 17 Nov 2014, 03:49 (Ref:3475665)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

about done with racing period.

I know what you mean.
About the only bright spot is the Pirelli World Challenge series. It's not perfect, but at least it still has some fantastic production based racing machines and some pretty darned good racing.

rustyfan · 17 Nov 2014, 09:52 (Ref:3475727)

I'd like to see NASCAR drop the Chase entirely, going back to what they had before. I'd like to see an even bigger points gap between first and second to still put a big premium on wins though.

I will admit I do like several things with this new format, especially the intensity and controversy it has produced (I like seeing raw emotions put on display and have zero problems with the brawls we've seen). We've also seen some really good, tense races. But the format itself? Nah, not my cup of tea. I really, really tried to like it but it's just too much. Winless Newman almost stealing the trophy made that all too clear.

While last night was pretty exciting down to the final few laps, I have a feeling the overall numbers aren't gonna look too good for NASCAR. I'd be surprised if this elimination style championship format survives more than a few years.

That said I do think Harvick is a worthy Champion. He's won a lot of races, lead an absolute crapton of laps, set a personal record for pole positions in one season (by far) and had to overcome some pretty tough challenges. I'm glad he got to hoist the trophy.

As for those being "done" with NASCAR... well, it's a shame to see you go but at the same time you might be the ones that force NASCAR to finally drop the Chase altogether. Hope to see you back if that happens. Personally I'm going nowhere, I enjoy the races far too much and the Daytona 500 is just a couple of months away...

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Originally Posted by TRspitfirefan

I know what you mean.
About the only bright spot is the Pirelli World Challenge series. It's not perfect, but at least it still has some fantastic production based racing machines and some pretty darned good racing.

You should give V8 SuperCars a try.

Paradise City · 17 Nov 2014, 12:08 (Ref:3475758)

Well done..Harvick..for winning..whatever that was.

They won't go back to the old system. Once the gimmicks are in, they don't climb down on it. They'll probably jig it up some other way, yeah, but actually having a championship - well, those heady summer days are gone.

JHamilton · 17 Nov 2014, 15:37 (Ref:3475826)

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

I'd like to see NASCAR drop the Chase entirely, going back to what they had before. I'd like to see an even bigger points gap between first and second to still put a big premium on wins though.

Also, only offer points for positions 1-20.

rustyfan · 17 Nov 2014, 16:25 (Ref:3475845)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Also, only offer points for positions 1-20.

Ooh, I like that idea.

fieldodreams79 · 17 Nov 2014, 17:07 (Ref:3475854)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Also, only offer points for positions 1-20.

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

Ooh, I like that idea.

I have been banging on that one for years. The issue goes deeper, i am afraid b/c of the idiotic ways that award owner's points as well. They could figure it out, but they'll end up tinkering with their sinking ship and patching a hole here and there, instead of pulling it into a dry dock and fixing the problem that started with the original chase. Going back to something similar to the old points system is about the only I am going to get back into this championship. I'll keep watching Chase Elliott, where ever he is.

And yes Congrats to Harvick for being the best of the last four or something. Out of the four contenders, I feel he deserved more than the others, but WTF do i know anymore?

Salamus · 17 Nov 2014, 20:00 (Ref:3475908)

I actually like that all 43 cars get points. Although the points should be more spread out for the top 10.

Forgetting about the Chase for a second. These races would be great if they didn't throw a caution out every time a piece of metal ended up on the track or someone spins.

fieldodreams79 · 17 Nov 2014, 21:56 (Ref:3475941)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

I actually like that all 43 cars get points. Although the points should be more spread out for the top 10.

Forgetting about the Chase for a second. These races would be great if they didn't throw a caution out every time a piece of metal ended up on the track or someone spins.

Yeah, that's been out of hand, with case in point, the last 20 or so laps in the truck race - guy spun but not all the way, kept going without hitting anything or anyone. Caution. A bunch of hooey.

JHamilton · 18 Nov 2014, 02:15 (Ref:3476009)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

Forgetting about the Chase for a second. These races would be great if they didn't throw a caution out every time a piece of metal ended up on the track or someone spins.

Well if they didn't have tires made of bubble gum and scythe on the side, maybe we could get a few laps under green.

Paradise City · 18 Nov 2014, 11:55 (Ref:3476148)

They're hooked on the drug that is having a guaranteed final race decider and they're not going to revert to a more traditional system. It's all about the increasing demands of TV means traditionalism is going out the window.

fieldodreams79 · 19 Nov 2014, 01:48 (Ref:3476428)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

They're hooked on the drug that is having a guaranteed final race decider and they're not going to revert to a more traditional system. It's all about the increasing demands of TV means traditionalism is going out the window.

Just saw a retweet from "Dex" stating that the average Chase race rating was 2.7, alluding to this being slightly up from last year? Not sure of the accuracy of the numbers either way, but if its up, its working for NASCAR so God help us.

And when was the last time the F1 season ended after NASCAR?

Salamus · 19 Nov 2014, 03:09 (Ref:3476439)

It sucks that the drivers fully support the Chase even though many consider a 36-race points system the best way to determine a champion. They have the power to put pressure on NASCAR, but I guess they don't want to get involved.

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

And when was the last time the F1 season ended after NASCAR?

Last year.

fieldodreams79 · 19 Nov 2014, 03:11 (Ref:3476440)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

Last year.

Doh! Well shows how I've been paying attention to both.

Paradise City · 19 Nov 2014, 03:35 (Ref:3476448)

I think some of the drivers have been ordered to like the chase in no uncertain terms. Some of the more over exuberent statements seem a bit forced to my ears anyway. They know enough to know that having a fight with the France clan is to lose a fight with the France clan.

JHamilton · 19 Nov 2014, 03:38 (Ref:3476449)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Doh! Well shows how I've been paying attention to both.

It's been the last five. In your defense, I had to look that up because I couldn't remember either.

JHamilton · 19 Nov 2014, 03:42 (Ref:3476451)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

I think some of the drivers have been ordered to like the chase in no uncertain terms. Some of the more over exuberent statements seem a bit forced to my ears anyway. They know enough to know that having a fight with the France clan is to lose a fight with the France clan.

Well they get fined if they say something "detrimental to the sport", so I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happens.

rustyfan · 19 Nov 2014, 12:48 (Ref:3476548)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

It sucks that the drivers fully support the Chase even though many consider a 36-race points system the best way to determine a champion. They have the power to put pressure on NASCAR, but I guess they don't want to get involved.

The last time the drivers got together and stood up to NASCAR, boycotting a race at Talladega they felt wasn't safe with the tires at hand, it simply resulted in them being replaced with lesser known drivers. This was in 1969.

There have been no attempts by the drivers to get organized since.

Interesting tidbit about that race: Richard Childress was one of the drivers hired to replace the regulars and these days he credits that race with his career, as the money he was paid that weekend allowed him to buy a bit of land and start his own shop. The rest is, as they say, history.

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

They know enough to know that having a fight with the France clan is to lose a fight with the France clan.

Exactly.

fieldodreams79 · 19 Nov 2014, 12:49 (Ref:3476549)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

It's been the last five. In your defense, I had to look that up because I couldn't remember either.

Well, just seems odd as the NASCAR season seems to take forEVER.

rustyfan · 19 Nov 2014, 13:01 (Ref:3476555)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Well, just seems odd as the NASCAR season seems to take forEVER.

Well, it does start nearly a month earlier than the Formula 1 season. So in terms of schedule length it's longer

KayBee · 20 Nov 2014, 21:34 (Ref:3477042)

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Originally Posted by KayBee

I'm looking forward to my visit to Phoenix next month, however, whenever I visit a circuit Jimmie Johnston doesn't have a good meeting so I await the result with baited breath.

My prophecy proved correct.

broadrun96 · 20 Nov 2014, 22:46 (Ref:3477071)

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

Well, it does start nearly a month earlier than the Formula 1 season. So in terms of schedule length it's longer

And only a couple off weekends, instead of 6 weeks off in the middle of the season.

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