Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Racing Talk > My Track Designs

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 19 Apr 2015, 01:05 (Ref:3528758)   #1
AoB Special Stage
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Estonia
Posts: 906
AoB Special Stage should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridAoB Special Stage should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Track Design for Motorcycles

I'm not entirely sure of the differences to be considered between cars and bikes.

I thought bikes are bad with elevation, given their mortal fear of banked corners (usually) and the importance of weight transfer, but Laguna Seca hosted MotoGP. I thought hairpins were a no-no because of Catalunya and Shanghai, but they run Mugello and Motegi.

I have experience racing bikes, but I don't feel it enough to make a call on the topic. Any help, especially from Luiggi?
AoB Special Stage is offline  
__________________
. . . but I'm not a traditionalist so maybe my opinion doesn't count! -TF110
Quote
Old 21 Apr 2015, 07:08 (Ref:3529594)   #2
ECW Dan Selby
Veteran
 
ECW Dan Selby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
England
Essex, England
Posts: 4,067
ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!
Bikes tend to have longer radi (? - Radiuses) corners. A decent example would be a track like Brno

F1 tends to have sharper corners to promote elongated braking zones.

In short, bike tracks tend to have a lot of longer radi corners with flow, whereas (modern) F1 tends to have straights and short/tight corners.

Selby
ECW Dan Selby is offline  
__________________
Run-offs, chicanes, hairpins...
Think you can do better? Let's see it!
Check out the "My Tracks" forum here on Ten-Tenths.
Quote
Old 21 Apr 2015, 07:09 (Ref:3529595)   #3
ECW Dan Selby
Veteran
 
ECW Dan Selby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
England
Essex, England
Posts: 4,067
ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!ECW Dan Selby has a real shot at the podium!
And of course, bikes prefer gravel rather than tarmac run-off, as this stops the bike and rider travelling so far in the event of a crash.

Selby
ECW Dan Selby is offline  
__________________
Run-offs, chicanes, hairpins...
Think you can do better? Let's see it!
Check out the "My Tracks" forum here on Ten-Tenths.
Quote
Old 21 Apr 2015, 10:02 (Ref:3529636)   #4
ScotsBrutesFan
Race Official
Veteran
 
ScotsBrutesFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Scotland
West Lothian
Posts: 5,783
ScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Bikes don't always prefer gravel, like any other user of the circuit, it depends on the corner.

A low side with the bike sliding to a halt on its side with just ground down pegs, bars and scuffed up fairing.

The same low side, bike skids of on its side, wheels hit the gravel digging in. The momentum of the bike picks it up throwing itself into the air with several hard landings on different parts of the bike causing total destruction.

By the same token, riders slide to a halt on Tarmac, gravel tends to throw them about, but as I say different corners need different solutions.
ScotsBrutesFan is offline  
Quote
Old 21 Apr 2015, 12:42 (Ref:3529670)   #5
ScotsBrutesFan
Race Official
Veteran
 
ScotsBrutesFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Scotland
West Lothian
Posts: 5,783
ScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameScotsBrutesFan will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
When I think of a bike circuit, there are a couple that spring to mind...

Phillip Island and Ricardo Tormo in Valencia.

Polar opposites in many ways, one has barely a straight worth the terminology full of sweepers into tighter corners that mean trailbraking everywhere. The other apart from the main straight, is a series of short punchy straights with fairly tight corners.

The only common type corner would be Valencia's curved approach into the final corner.
ScotsBrutesFan is offline  
Quote
Old 21 Apr 2015, 23:57 (Ref:3529860)   #6
AoB Special Stage
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Estonia
Posts: 906
AoB Special Stage should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridAoB Special Stage should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
I've now ran COTA with both a race car and racebike, and I've noticed the best corners for one are the worst for the other.
AoB Special Stage is offline  
__________________
. . . but I'm not a traditionalist so maybe my opinion doesn't count! -TF110
Quote
Old 3 Jun 2016, 01:19 (Ref:3646711)   #7
LuiggiSpeed
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
United States
Posts: 925
LuiggiSpeed should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Hey ! bike racer here, we do love elevation changes! it's the best sensation to climb a curve or downhill too, example Portimao. Cota kind of sucks for bikes, weird corners, sever lack of flow, but we also do love the "stop and go" tracks like Motegi
LuiggiSpeed is offline  
Quote
Old 9 Jun 2016, 20:16 (Ref:3648559)   #8
Purist
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
United States
Wichita, Kansas, USA
Posts: 5,892
Purist is going for a new world record!Purist is going for a new world record!Purist is going for a new world record!Purist is going for a new world record!Purist is going for a new world record!Purist is going for a new world record!
I'd say one of the biggest things, for cars or bikes, though bikes take it even less well, is to have good, smooth transitions between track, verge, and run-off. I'm still kind of flabbergasted that they got away with that trench along the first part of the Wellington Straight at Silverstone (the bit that sent Kimi for a ride in his Ferrari).
Purist is offline  
__________________
The only certainty is that nothing is certain.
Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Track Design matarleton My Track Designs 35 27 Sep 2008 01:29
New Track Design matarleton My Track Designs 102 24 Sep 2008 01:23
Design my track ! lavenlaar My Track Designs 17 28 Feb 2008 08:04
Track Design croccodillo Kart Racing 1 16 Jan 2008 12:46
Track Design BuggyGuy My Track Designs 14 3 Jan 2008 11:57


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:07.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.