IMSA Race VIR 2016 - Page 6

MoMedic9019 · 1 Sep 2016, 09:38 (Ref:3668888)

What do you mean by "recent history of the 62" ??

This is the second race in a row where they've been taken out by a move that was never going to work. Bamber came from a mile back on old rubber... He never had a chance to make that work. 100% his fault.

fieldodreams79 · 1 Sep 2016, 10:32 (Ref:3668894)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

What do you mean by "recent history of the 62" ??

This is the second race in a row where they've been taken out by a move that was never going to work. Bamber came from a mile back on old rubber... He never had a chance to make that work. 100% his fault.

62 has been banging off people the last 3 races or have you forgotten?

And you're wrong.

MoMedic9019 · 1 Sep 2016, 11:22 (Ref:3668902)

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62 has been banging off people the last 3 races or have you forgotten?

And you're wrong.

I guess I just haven't thought they've done anything worse than anyone else has been doing all season. Core especially.

I'm not wrong BTW. It's the responsibility of the overtaking driver to complete the pass cleanly. Bamber came from a distance, Fisi took his line, pinched or not, Bamber could, and should have backed out of it. He had the time to, chose not, and punted the 62.

It was avoidable contact. Especially seeing that the Porsche barely had his nose to the wheel arch.

fieldodreams79 · 1 Sep 2016, 11:43 (Ref:3668904)

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I guess I just haven't thought they've done anything worse than anyone else has been doing all season. Core especially.

Nothing to do with anything.

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I'm not wrong BTW. It's the responsibility of the overtaking driver to complete the pass cleanly. Bamber came from a distance, Fisi took his line, pinched or not, Bamber could, and should have backed out of it. He had the time to, chose not, and punted the 62.

It was avoidable contact. Especially seeing that the Porsche barely had his nose to the wheel arch.

The Ferrari pulled a half assed block. Middle of the road entering because he knew the Porsche was coming. Then turned in earlier than the 2 cars that just went through with the Porsche along side. 50/50 last lap restart racing deal all day, but I respect your opinion to disagree.

Coach Ep · 1 Sep 2016, 13:27 (Ref:3668922)

Beaux isn't penalizing at least half of the avoidable contact incidents during races, Bamber on Fisi was yet another textbook example.

Did they ever show a clear replay of the Ford #67 making contact with that GTD Turner BMW early on? I haven't seen anything conclusive up to this point but what the heck happened there?? It was severe enough to basically end Marshal's day...

Matt · 1 Sep 2016, 13:47 (Ref:3668931)

Beaux wants the drivers to handle it themselves to an extent.

Which I agree with.

fieldodreams79 · 1 Sep 2016, 13:52 (Ref:3668935)

Greg and Calvin mentioned during the broadcast that they've at least been consistent with the rulings, which I'd agree with and would prefer not being trigger happy with penalties.

Coach Ep · 1 Sep 2016, 13:53 (Ref:3668936)

That clearly depends on the definition of 'certain extent' - which becomes very subjective instantly. It's a gliding slope and it's certainly not moving upwards.

MoMedic9019 · 1 Sep 2016, 14:02 (Ref:3668938)

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The Ferrari pulled a half assed block. Middle of the road entering because he knew the Porsche was coming. Then turned in earlier than the 2 cars that just went through with the Porsche along side. 50/50 last lap restart racing deal all day, but I respect your opinion to disagree.

And? He took a defensive stance and stuck with it. That's allowed. He made a single move to the apex. I understand why it wasn't called, but, I think that Fisi shoving Bamber off after the checker says it all...

fieldodreams79 · 1 Sep 2016, 14:11 (Ref:3668941)

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And? He took a defensive stance and stuck with it. That's allowed. He made a single move to the apex.

And the single move to the apex was earlier than the normal line, knowing someone was there, so he could've avoided the contact himself.

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I understand why it wasn't called,

So it was just racing deal where both can share the blame?

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but, I think that Fisi shoving Bamber off after the checker says it all...

No, it really says nothing other than he was mad.

Matt · 1 Sep 2016, 14:13 (Ref:3668942)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

That clearly depends on the definition of 'certain extent' - which becomes very subjective instantly. It's a gliding slope and it's certainly not moving upwards.

Nothing has been deliberate.

Bob Baldwin · 1 Sep 2016, 14:37 (Ref:3668951)

Never was a big fan of FISI some dumb moves and very Hot Headed

Would rather see someone else beside him in the RISI Ferrari . But that was ferrari call

Coach Ep · 1 Sep 2016, 14:58 (Ref:3668955)

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Nothing has been deliberate.

And you're able to tell how?

"No racing, no incidents!" so per that definition every incident is a 'racing incident'. Is that really the direction we wanna go? Welcome to stockcar/touring car racing...

Matt · 1 Sep 2016, 16:52 (Ref:3668974)

Deliberate action is quite obvious.

Stock and Touring car racing put on great shows, I see no reason why fendered cars cant get into the bump and grind as well. It wouldn't be as much as stock and ourers because the GT cars are much more fragile.

carbsmith · 1 Sep 2016, 17:05 (Ref:3668982)

Never stopped anyone in TransAm.

MoMedic9019 · 1 Sep 2016, 20:00 (Ref:3669013)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

And the single move to the apex was earlier than the normal line, knowing someone was there, so he could've avoided the contact himself.

so he can't take a defensive line? I'd probably have just gone to outbrake him, but, he compromised his line into the corner to defend. The responsibility still lies on the overtaking driver.

fieldodreams79 · 1 Sep 2016, 20:30 (Ref:3669021)

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so he can't take a defensive line? I'd probably have just gone to outbrake him, but, he compromised his line into the corner to defend.

Sure, you can take a defensive line; just make sure there's no solid objects in said line.

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The responsibility still lies on the overtaking driver.

This has and always will be a cop out argument. When a move is made by an overtaking driver and a responsive move is made by the defending driver and they come together, they can share the blame, in my book. But I am sure I wrong...

HORNDAWG · 1 Sep 2016, 22:06 (Ref:3669043)

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Sure, you can take a defensive line; just make sure there's no solid objects in said line.

This has and always will be a cop out argument. When a move is made by an overtaking driver and a responsive move is made by the defending driver and they come together, they can share the blame, in my book. But I am sure I wrong...

Someone is sure you are.

L.P.

seanyb505 · 1 Sep 2016, 22:38 (Ref:3669047)

Yes maybe from a pure ethical standpoint, but not the rulebook

fieldodreams79 · 1 Sep 2016, 23:23 (Ref:3669057)

All depends on one's ethics, I reckon

Hope the trip to southern Virginia was pleasant and enjoyable for you, seanyb.

MoMedic9019 · 1 Sep 2016, 23:29 (Ref:3669060)

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This has and always will be a cop out argument. When a move is made by an overtaking driver and a responsive move is made by the defending driver and they come together, they can share the blame, in my book. But I am sure I wrong...

Fisi started moving before Bamber got there though...

fieldodreams79 · 1 Sep 2016, 23:38 (Ref:3669061)

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Fisi started moving before Bamber got there though...

Yeah, kinda all happened at once, but I don't agree with most if your posts and we won't agree on this. I'm fine with that.

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