The *******s Have Done It Again!!!! - Page 5

djb · 30 Sep 2002, 16:42 (Ref:392347)

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Originally posted by R

What does TGF want? Every record in the book? He was trying to steal Peter Gethin's record (a record Gethin claimed fair and square by actually racing for it) by staging a close a finish as possible. It can't be more tasteless than that. Thank goodness he didn't succeed.

R, this is a very important point, and one that I agree with completely. Having a dominant car and season is one thing, but trying to pull this off like this is indeed rather tasteless, and is what will probably stick in my mind far into the future.

and Neil, has Tim says, this sort of comment is not appreciated by anyone here, and shouldn't be tolerated. So called "nice guy", go somewhere else with comments like that.

and Neil, one bad apple doesn't make the whole bushel bad.....

botsquad · 30 Sep 2002, 16:52 (Ref:392357)

from itv:

The fans in the USA were pretty hacked off about it and you can see their point to some extent. Imagine if the guy leading the Indy 500 pulled up before the line and let the second place guy win. That just doesn’t happen in America where the individual is king.

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of course...here in america...the second place car won this year's indy 500.

only in america......

ukracing · 30 Sep 2002, 16:57 (Ref:392363)

Why are any of you making a point of what happened. It did not matter who crossed the line first, and to be fair it was going to a dominate ferrari finish what ever the ending. Who cares who won the race or how they finished. This season has ended along time ago. And I think we are all forgetting this is a team sport first and foremost. So Ferrari counts above all drivers. This domance was only like McLaren in 98 & 99 so lets get real people.

Inigo Montoya · 30 Sep 2002, 16:57 (Ref:392364)

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Originally posted by botsquad
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Need I say more..

Neil C · 30 Sep 2002, 17:25 (Ref:392391)

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Originally posted by TimD
Neil, the rubbish you and I find offensive is not welcome in any part of 10-tenths, and I hope it is apparent that it gets admonished in the Gravel Trap as anywhere else.

TimD, djb: Dammit! Everytime I go off on a rant, you guys or one of the other moderators come along will calm reasoning, sound logic and a soothing tone that takes all the fire out my self indulgent tantrums!

Just so you know, none of my comments should ever be considered a criticism of how this forum is moderated. In fact the skill with which the moderators walk the fine line to keep this site both provocative and friendly is one of the reasons I'm still here.

The other reason is the friendships I've forged with several participants who's opinions I value, if not always agree with.

I promise to be on my best behavior (NiceGuy, I'm not dumb, that's really how we spell "behaviour")...until next time.

pole2pole · 30 Sep 2002, 17:58 (Ref:392419)

What amazes me is why did schumi not put the foot down and go for the win it would have been win number 11 and then I think its save to say that he would get win number 12 in japan. This would have made the total wins in one season record even harder to break. With both ferraris running way out front at the USGP did schumi decide to hand rubens the win as a thankyou because he is retires after his final win in japan?

djb · 30 Sep 2002, 21:37 (Ref:392565)

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Originally posted by Neil C
, I'm not dumb, that's really how we spell "behaviour" [/B]

you say potahtoe, and I say potehto
you spell color, and we spell colour,
checks aren't accepted, and neither are cheques

Rubins, Michael, Rubens, Michael,

let's call the whole thing off.........

greg.n · 30 Sep 2002, 22:11 (Ref:392593)

It was not deliberate, it was an accident. TGF did not mean to do it. It doesn't change F1's position as the pinnacle of motor racing competition. That ceased to be the case a long time ago. thats waht CART fans have been trying to tell you for the last ten years!

mac · 30 Sep 2002, 22:25 (Ref:392606)

It was a little bit of fun that went wrong. Schu didn't pull over and let him win it.

Wrex · 30 Sep 2002, 23:38 (Ref:392652)

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Originally posted by Neil C
Everytime I go off on a rant, you guys or one of the other moderators come along will calm reasoning, sound logic and a soothing tone that takes all the fire out my self indulgent tantrums!

You'll never get calm reasoning, sound logic or a soothing tone from me Neil

Niceguy, may be time for apology.

R · 1 Oct 2002, 08:14 (Ref:392813)

"Accident", "little bit of fun", etc., etc. Racing is supposed to be fun, honest and fair. Some may see what happened as fun, but honest and fair it was certainly not. "The race was won by Rubens Barrichello. He happened to accidentally win as the two Ferrari drivers were trying to have a little bit of fun while crossing the finish line" - yeah, that's a great advertisement for F1 in America, isn't it.

I haven't agreed with the "WWF1" tag before, but now I must say that it unfortunately bears a resemblance.

On a separate matter, I agree with Wrex. NiceGuyEddie, you should apologize to Neilap, Neil C, and anyone else offended by your remark.

mac · 1 Oct 2002, 10:23 (Ref:392898)

Why was it not honest and fair, R?

**Peter Mallett** · 1 Oct 2002, 10:36 (Ref:392909)

Um,

It is supposed to be racing isn't it? We are supposed to be watching professionals display their skills at the highest level of the sport.

That carries a word which is "ethical". I will leave people to look the word up but if anybody thinks that the behaviour of Ferrari's drivers was either professional or ethical then they may need to rethink their outlook.

Whilst it was funny it just should not happen at this level of the sport.

Mr V · 1 Oct 2002, 10:51 (Ref:392919)

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Originally posted by mac
Why was it not honest and fair, R?

Coz once again the man who deserved to win the race, didn't, thats why it's not honest and fair, and it's not the first time it's happened.

mac · 1 Oct 2002, 10:51 (Ref:392920)

I don't see why not. If there was anyone near them, they would not have been able to do it.

I repeat, Schumacher did not LET Barrichello win. The script was always for Michael to win or dead heat. However, going for a dead heat was always going to carry a risk that they would get it wrong, and they did.

I am not a Ferrari fan. I was appalled by Austria (not the country, just what happened at their GP), but frankly I don't see what the problem is with what happened at Indy.

I think a lot of people just like to climb into Schumacher and Ferrari, whether they've done something wrong or not.

I also repeat that F1 takes itself too seriously. It is obvious that a lot of the fans do too.

mac · 1 Oct 2002, 10:55 (Ref:392924)

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Originally posted by mr v

Coz once again the man who deserved to win the race, didn't, thats why it's not honest and fair, and it's not the first time it's happened.

But this time it was not planned or conducted on purpose. Yes your point is a good one, but it was not meant to be like that - it wasn't the script that the team were following (unlike Austria).

I just don't have a problem with what happened this time. Maybe I'm weird.

Liz · 1 Oct 2002, 11:08 (Ref:392934)

So if TGF decides to stop and do donuts before the finish line in Japan, or reverse and drive backwards over the line, that will be okay with you?

Peter Mallett has it correct -- the idea is that we at least pretend that this is a motor race and that there is some interest in who might win the thing. As Bernie said, "DON'T MAKE IT SO OBVIOUS NEXT TIME!"

Monkey tricks at the finish line is something you might see in a Monster Truck Rally or a banger race. At the "pinnacle of motor sport" so called, between men whose salaries approach the GNP of half the countries in Africa, it is uncalled for.

R · 1 Oct 2002, 14:35 (Ref:393111)

Peter Mallett, Mr. V and Liz have pretty much answered your question for me, Mac. I agree with what they are saying. One thing I can add, is that this removes the notion that we only reacted after Austria because TGF was the benefactor. At Indy, Rubens was the benefactor, and we're still reacting. Goes to show that there are principles at work here. Not who wins, but how it is being done.

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Originally posted by Liz
So if TGF decides to stop and do donuts before the finish line in Japan, or reverse and drive backwards over the line, that will be okay with you?

Personally, that would be fine by me. It would be hilarious. I don't mind if Ferrari show their superiority, and if TGF decides to do a donut a la Panizzi, I will applaud it. Just as long as he doesn't throw the race, or allows the nearest competitor (yes I am talking about Rubens here) to come up alongside, with the risk of that happening - that's what I have a problem with.

What happened at Indy reveals an unprofessional attitude. It gives the signal that a race win isn't that important. So that begs the question: When it doesn't matter who wins - or how it's done - why bother racing (or indeed, why bother watching the races) in the first place?

Minardi fan · 1 Oct 2002, 20:23 (Ref:393406)

I just laughed. I laughed out loud.

Oh dear.

At least Minardi have Cossie engines next season. ROLL ON 2003!!!