Crossle 9S

[andy97]

Surely one of the prettiest cars ever built. I know they used 2 litre BMW engines back in the day (similar to the F2 engines of the day?) and Lotus Twin Cams, but did they use any other engines, as an eg, BDA/BDG etc etc or anything else?

[GCCheddaris]

As the Crossle 9S was built in the mid sixties when the one litre Formula Two was in force the BMW engine which powered them and other sports racers wouldn't have been a Formula Two engine as 2 litre Formula Two didn't begin until 1972 . For the same reason I think it's unlikely any were powered in period by BDA etc as they didn't appear until the early seventies either .

[andy97]

Originally Posted by GCCheddaris

As the Crossle 9S was built in the mid sixties when the one litre Formula Two was in force the BMW engine which powered them and other sports racers wouldn't have been a Formula Two engine as 2 litre Formula Two didn't begin until 1972 . For the same reason I think it's unlikely any were powered in period by BDA etc as they didn't appear until the early seventies either .

Have looked more closely at Crossle’s own website (!) and it shows engines included 2 litre BMW M10 and 1600 Ford Twin Cam.

[Mike Bell]

Our own Eamonn Ledwidge (Crossle Owners Group) will surely know the answer.....

[rbs]

I believe there was a hillclimb 9s with a Buck engine in it.

[Gerard C]

If I remember well, the M 10 is the unit found on the 2002 for example, the M 12 used the same base but was 16 ventiler, different head and induction. I think GC got it right with the years/ variants.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by rbs

I believe there was a hillclimb 9s with a Buck engine in it.

Crossle 9S 1965 C9S-65-27 Harrison 3.5 Buick hillclimb car

From the Crossle thread in this forum https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...20#post3483820

Originally Posted by tomclaridge

.....C9S.66.27 a sports racer built in 1965 for David Harrison with Buick alloy V8 engine(only one built so) and again recorded in "30 Years". Mr Harrison kept the car into the 1970s and sold it to a John Molds who raced and restored the car for many years. I bought the car from Mr. Moulds in 2008 and restored the car to it's original Buick alloy V8 engine and retain the car today a 3 owner car. This car also was certified by Mr. John Crossle as the car in the book!

I also found this on the Bonhams website referencing a car sold by them a couple of years ago. Im not sure if this is a 9S though

.....All the Crosslé sports-racing cars (5S, 7S, and 9S) were designed and built to accommodate various engine and gearbox combinations, depending on the customer's requirements. Chassis number 'CS-S64-13' was ordered new by Brian Nelson, and supplied with a Daimler SP250 V8 engine coupled to a Jack Knight gearbox. Nelson, who is remembered as one of Ireland's top drivers in Formula 2 and international rallying, competed in 'CS-S64-13' throughout the 1964 and 1965 seasons, including events at Phoenix Park, Bishops Court, and Kirkstown. Over the winter of 1964/1965, the car was modified to accept the wider bodywork introduced by the factory for the 7S model, but continued to compete throughout the 1965 season with the Daimler V8. In 1966, in line with other cars being developed by the factory, it became a 9S with a 2.0-litre BMW engine.

'CS-S64-13' was then sold to Michael Martin and then to John le Sage, who fitted a 2.5-litre Repco engine. Around 1968, the Crosslé was brought to the USA by a Robert Winkelman, subsequently passing into the ownership of Jim Profit. He sold the car to Jim Wallace in 1977, who in turn sold it to Jim Miller in 1980. Jim Miller then proceeded to race 'CS-S64-13' until November 1988, firstly with a Buick engine and latterly with an Oldsmobile. Jim Miller passed away in April 1989 and in February 1990 his widow sold the car (see email printout on file).

During the car's time in the USA, the Crosslé Car Company has kept in close contact with all the owners. When its then owner Neil Davies returned the car to them in the mid-2000s for restoration, they were able to confirm its history, noting that it had even retained its original braking and suspension systems! The extensive history files contain correspondence with the factory from very early in the car's life, together with press cuttings and numerous bills.

'CS-S64-13' benefits from recent extensive renovation and maintenance by historic racing car specialists, R M Wilson Engineering, as evidenced by bills of file dating from 2015/2016 totalling many thousands of pounds (see file). The car is powered by a freshly rebuilt 4.6-litre Buick V8 engine breathing via a quartet of Weber 48 IDF carburettors, which produces a maximum of 396.5bhp at 6,575rpm (see dynamometer printout on file).

Now restored to its original 1965 specification,.......

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24122/lot/288/

[Graz]

The Brian Nelson car in the post below was a 5s. It's for sale on racecars direct right now. Gorgeous little cars, like all Crossles were and are. A big part of Irish Motorsport history.

[mdwracer]

There are 3 original 1965-66 Crossle 9S's.

The first 9S was chassis #27 (C9S-65-27) and it was the 1965-66 Harrison hillclimb car with a 3.5 Buick V8. The second car was chassis #28 (C9S-66-28) and it had a BMW M10 (BMW M10 1600 cc bored to the 2000 cc limit) It was bought new by John L'Amie and raced by him, Peter Gethin, and Derek Bennett with its most noteable race being the 1966 Tourist Trophy at Oulton Park.
The third and final car was chassis #29 (C9S-66-29) ,the Wingfield car, and it had a BMW M10 as well.

Chassis 27 with the V8 lives in the USA (California)
Chassis 28 with the BMW lives in Louisville KY and has been there since 1970-It has been in my family since 1970.
Chassis 29 -I last saw it as restored by Simon Hadfield and listed for sale on Race-Cars.com many years ago.

Mike Winebrenner
Louisville KY USA
mdwracer@gmail.com

[kickstart]

Holy thread resurrection...
Agree 100% that these are lovely racing cars - had one of the Zetec engined reproductions some years ago and had great fun with it
What is the difference with the 7S and does anyone know how many of these cars were built

[911thillclimber]

A friend hill climbs a 9S with a Zetek, really nice car, great build quality and looks to die for. Has a sit in it several times and feels a bit of a tight fit, and I'm 'relatively' slim. My Lola T492 is far roomier.


Seems a sounder car build than an equivalent Lotus?

[andy97]

Originally Posted by kickstart

Holy thread resurrection...
Agree 100% that these are lovely racing cars - had one of the Zetec engined reproductions some years ago and had great fun with it
What is the difference with the 7S and does anyone know how many of these cars were built

Not sure on the differences between the 7S and the 9S but various reports suggest that only 5 x 7S were built

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car...7s/1964/715454

Are you looking buy, Nigel?

[kickstart]

Andy - Just toying with the idea but apparently senior management have decided we have a strict one in one out policy with racing cars
Hope you are well

[andy97]

Originally Posted by kickstart

Andy - Just toying with the idea but apparently senior management have decided we have a strict one in one out policy with racing cars
Hope you are well

Hmmm, who listens to senior mgmt???!!! Who the hell discussed these important decisions with senior mgmt? Anyway, its an investment! Just buy it and dont tell her, thats what she would do with shoes and its the same principle!
All good here thanks, hope you are, too?