Goodwood Revival

[Duddha]

Originally Posted by PBE

That's nice.....
May I very politely suggest that you do your research first before posting ill founded and disingenuous comments like these about a fellow ten tenthers car.

Since you clearly know nothing about my car, I'll educate you.

It is a rivet perfect copy of a car the Frazer Nash works produced for the 1928 TT utilizing many original parts. The chassis, running gear and body are to exact pre-war specification using all the same materials including a very heavy ash frame fabric body, cable 10" brakes, std chassis frame and axles.
The only current deviation from the original car, which no longer exists in this form, is that I run it with a vintage Meadows engine (rather than super charged Anzani), which is clearly highly developed with new internals etc, as all other quick prewar cars also have, and the engine is 1750 cc rather than 1500. As such when ever I compete with the VSCC in this car I enter it as a special. Many Anzani engined cars were converted to Meadows in period.

Most people just compliment this unwieldy and unlikely 'race' car which is really quite scary to drive for being driven quickly.
As John correctly states chain drive Nashes have a big advantage in the wet as they have no differential. Had it been dry, Swift & I would have been no where near the podium.

You would be welcome to come and inspect it for yourself and if you are very unlucky, take it out for a test drive....

I love the car and the way it handles on track, spectacular to watch. Pre war or the later GP voiturettes are really a thing I'd like to try.

[zefarelly]

Originally Posted by Duddha

I love the car and the way it handles on track, spectacular to watch. Pre war or the later GP voiturettes are really a thing I'd like to try.

Will there be an App K addendum for Ash ROPS?

[PBE]

Originally Posted by midgetman

I do apologise for causing any offence. I thoroughly enjoyed your performance.

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No worries and thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed watching the car. I can assure you that it is much more pleasant watching it rather than it is piloting it. Swifty would concur whole heartedly with this....!

[mab01UK]

Originally Posted by mab01UK

Minis go to battle | John Whitmore Trophy 2021 full race | Goodwood Revival.
"Forty five minutes, two drivers, 30 Minis. These are the ingredients for the Goodwood Revival's John Whitmore Trophy presented by Sure, a magnificent celebration of the history of the Mini Cooper, played out at full throttle. The cars looked amazing, the drivers list easily matched it. Martin Brundle, Alex Brundle, Darren Turner, Jean-Eric Vergne, Neel Jani, Andre Lotterer, Andy Priualx Romain Dumas and more jumped into the tiny machines to fight it out for glory."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTJ0715dSWc

Originally Posted by zefarelly

This is a historic motorsport thread!

However Goodwood, most forum members, most motorsport enthusiasts and most Revival spectators do not have such a narrow view while celebrating 60 years of the Mini Cooper in historic motorsport.....

[mab01UK]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

That was a fantastic race. The incredible save by #20 early on at the chicane (right in front of me) was just astonishing......

Agreed...Endaf Owens car 20 after a little nudge at the chicane made a BIG SAVE !

See 2.57 in video below:-

10 best moments from Saturday | Goodwood Revival 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QilDRWERPbM

[crmalcolm]

For the uneducated - what is the difference between historic and vintage, and why would the 'John Whitmore Trophy 2021' cars not be relevant to a historic motorsport thread?

App. K provides dating periods up to 1993 (AFAIK) for cars competing in international historic events?

[E.B]

Originally Posted by PBE

I can assure you that it is much more pleasant watching it rather than it is piloting it. Swifty would concur whole heartedly with this....!

I seem to recall a video re the Owlet where it might have been yourself (PBE) quoting Nick after his first drive of the car as to saying something along the lines of the most hideous driving experience he had ever had and one he hoped to never have to repeat....

Never say never etc.....

It is certainly always great to watch

[PBE]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

Nice clarification Patrick

Serious question. . . I was explaining (badly) FN transmission to work colleagues today, engineers but not car people . . . When I mention the proximity of derrier-moving components, everyone winced and lifted an inch off their chairs . . . . My question is, The photo's I found are a mix of simplex/duplex chains, my guess is originally big simplex but in the interests of keeping the wife happy a duplex is a wise move?

both are used in different Lambrettas which are chucking out double+ design power, A good IWIS duplex chain can take a lot . . . And the only thing I use.

For the hard of hearing I said Duplex. With a pee

As for stability, it looked like it was trying to overtakeitself in a straight line, in the dry from the pit wall on Friday . . . .

Some of the works competition cars did indeed run Duplex. I own the works Fane single seater and this is all duplex. The simplex chain we can get these days is much stronger than in the vintage years and breakages are rare and usually as a result of clumsy or brutal gear changes. Being dog engagement its quite easy to be abusive as the gear change is as fast as you can move the stick. Fortunately I've never had one try and escape upwards through the wooden floor boards but I do occasionally stare down at the transmission in awe that the only thing between it and my behind is a flimsy bit of oil soaked wood!

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by bauble

Always good to see the car in action, but why is it called 'Owlet, I wonder?

For me, one of the standouts of the weekend. Although the drivers almost certainly would disagree, I could have watched it in the damp conditions all day!

[275 GTB-4]

[QUOTE=mab01UK;4074897]Agreed...Endaf Owens car 20 after a little nudge at the chicane made a BIG SAVE !

Driver of Car #55, report to Stewards Room...

[Peter Mallett]

A bit more info. https://www.flickr.com/photos/45676495@N05/29475410755

[PBE]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

A bit more info. https://www.flickr.com/photos/45676495@N05/29475410755

Thanks for posting this Peter - I've not seen it before - rather lovely that people are interested and knowledgeable about the odd little car!

[Peter Mallett]

Well it is an interesting vehicle not to mention the FRazer Nash story as a whole. According to Chain Drive to Turbocharger by the late Denis J, it started life as chassis 1204, with an sv Anzani engine in May 1928. First owner was Mrs E Burt and it was indeed built for the 1928 TT. Original Reg was YW 9099 which was later changed to DNV 951.

Moving on, I understand your speciality is the Meadows engine and the first Meadows powered "Frash" was a special three seater Chassis 1221 in Sept 1929.

Again the info. comes from the aforementioned book published in 1984.

[Heightswitch]

Originally Posted by PBE

No worries and thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed watching the car. I can assure you that it is much more pleasant watching it rather than it is piloting it. Swifty would concur whole heartedly with this....!

Was fantastic to watch this on the live stream over the weekend.. One of my Favourite books at the moment is the AFN Story written by DSJ.. What a fantastic story it is..

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by bauble

Always good to see the car in action, but why is it called 'Owlet, I wonder?

I was expecting one of the Cobras to be my track highlight on Sunday, but instead it was this car. Don't think I have ever seen a car have understeer and oversteer three times in the same corner!

[zefarelly]

Originally Posted by tbtstt

I was expecting one of the Cobras to be my track highlight on Sunday, but instead it was this car. Don't think I have ever seen a car have understeer and oversteer three times in the same corner!

A bit like those Kenner rip cord cars from he 70's with one wheel in the middle, when you let go they went anywhere!

[Will Nuthall]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

For the uneducated - what is the difference between historic and vintage, and why would the 'John Whitmore Trophy 2021' cars not be relevant to a historic motorsport thread?

App. K provides dating periods up to 1993 (AFAIK) for cars competing in international historic events?

Haha - I think there is just a tad of sarcasm in saying that it's not relavent!
The implication was that they're all new!

Good to see some of you over the weekend!

[bauble]

Wish I could have been there to see it, but your drive in the Cooper Bristol was fabulous to watch, Will, Mike Hawthorn would have appreciated it.

Well done.

Bauble.

[justracing]

Originally Posted by bauble

Wish I could have been there to see it, but your drive in the Cooper Bristol was fabulous to watch, Will, Mike Hawthorn would have appreciated it.

Well done.

Bauble.

I'm guessing that it would have been a similar car that MH drove on public roads from Paris to Rouen since no transport was available for him to get to the next race. One of the wonderful anecdotes from Hawthorn's biography - Challenge me the race. Some of the stories from the likes of Nuvolari, Fangio, Moss and Hawthorn never fail to amaze me in their reading. If my memory serves MH drove the car following a road car down to Rouen before he signed for Ferrari and after an engine rebuild in Paris.

[Will Nuthall]

Originally Posted by bauble

Wish I could have been there to see it, but your drive in the Cooper Bristol was fabulous to watch, Will, Mike Hawthorn would have appreciated it.

Well done.

Bauble.

Thanks! Hope to catch up soon!