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Old 9 Nov 2021, 19:52 (Ref:4082467)   #101
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Looked to me like Bottas had been told to let Hamilton through at the first corner and checked up to let Hamilton take the lead into the corner not realizing how fast Verstappen could take the corner around the outside.
I think he went to the middle of the track to prevent Verstappen jumping Hamilton off the start, but did not anticipate Max's start would be good enough to effectively get the jump on both Mercs.
That makes far too much sense!
And no drama involved...

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Old 9 Nov 2021, 21:50 (Ref:4082485)   #102
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Old 10 Nov 2021, 10:46 (Ref:4082546)   #103
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About the fastest lap point. I think it influences the race too artificially. A midfield car doing a last lap pitstop to set the fastest lap so the competitor in first place doesn't get it. That's us just silly antics, because of a points mechanism.

I think it should be change from: The person who sets the fastest lap time and finishes in the top ten gets an extra point.

Into: The top ten finishing driver who sets the fastest lap gets an extra point.

That way finishing points loss are always in play and we do not get the artificial none normal race occurrences of last lap pit stops, just to keep a competitor from a point. That said, I wouldn't mind if the extra point for fastest lap is completely removed either.

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Old 10 Nov 2021, 11:28 (Ref:4082553)   #104
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Old 10 Nov 2021, 11:32 (Ref:4082554)   #105
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Conversely - I think the recent race is an example of where the fastest lap point (and drivers outside the top ten not qualifying) adds to the race interest.
Verstappen was clear out front, and seemingly untroubled. But - Bottas making an attempt caused Verstappen frustration. His race was distracted, and he decided to try an impact Bottas' attempt. There was scope for more action to happen as a result (ultimately nothing came of it) that added some interest in the latter stages. Seeing 1 point go to, or be lost by, a front runner always adds something (IMO), no matter how minimal.
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Well, I guess a race that dull needed any additional interest it could get.....
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Well, I guess a race that dull needed any additional interest it could get.....
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perhaps they could find new ways to spruce things up, how about making the drivers get out and run around the car at every stop
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I have no problem with the point for fastest lap, it's one of the least contrived rule changes we've had in the recent past. The problem is there is too much reliance on pitstops and I can't see that changing soon
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perhaps they could find new ways to spruce things up, how about making the drivers get out and run around the car at every stop
I actually saw a club sports car event where that was compulsory if you weren’t doing a driver change in the pit stop.
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Verstappen was right behind him, and whichever way Bottas drifted to, Verstappen would've gone the other way.
In light of Bottas' recent comments - it's interesting how from behind a keyboard you are certain what would have happened, but an actual F1 driver is unsure?

"Bottas said that, having watched replays on the run to the first corner, there were things he could have done differently. 'maybe there was a way to block Max, or prevent him going outside, and maybe he would have had the chance to go inside. I don't know'"
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Old 14 Nov 2021, 02:11 (Ref:4083349)   #112
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I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate to me? His quote would confirm my view?
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Er no.... How about the 'maybe there was a way to block Max' bit?
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Yeah, I know what the word "maybe" means. Do you?

It's also clear to me that you can't distinguish what you see on tv. What I mean is the straight at Mexico and Monaco for instance are the same to you. You don't see any variables that make the start at those two tracks different from one another.

It's also clear to me that you haven't considered that Bottas maybe being diplomatic while he's still an MB driver.

But your views are understandable to me since I recognise that you're really watching the Lewis Hamilton TV Show, instead of the F1 WC.
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