Track safety: That is such a warning shot (real event trigger warning)

[Yannick]

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/f...rash/10456352/

At Portimao (of all places) during a support series event on the WEC weekend, a Porsche crashed and jumped over the carch fencing into the empty grandstand behind.

Even though tis is largely a fantasy track design board, I post this here because it seems fitting as the only place on tentenths dedicated to racetracks exclusively.

So let's talk about improving track safety here.

Looking at the 2nd picture in the article, it seems like putting the fence directly behind the guardrail behind the tyre barrier could have prevented the car from moving over it into the grandstand - if the tyre barrier acted as some sort of a ramp.

What do you think?

The distance between the guardrail and the tyre barrier also played a role in the difficult on site recovery at Silverstone in F1 when Guanyu Zhou's car got stuck in between both of those elements.

The positioning of the fence in the photo from Portimao makes it look like it may be only there to prevent spectators from getting into the lane behind the barrier that is built for track marshal vehicles to travel on.

[kerb]

yeah, the problem is there needs to be enough distance to fit a truck/crane in. it looks to me like the second fence is both too short and not enough posts to hold a car. looking at the tracks in the gravel trap in one image I saw, it looks like the car barrel rolls and could have hopped over the tyre barrier. if anyone has seen a video to confirm this would be helpful.

[Yannick]

Originally Posted by kerb

yeah, the problem is there needs to be enough distance to fit a truck/crane in. it looks to me like the second fence is both too short and not enough posts to hold a car. looking at the tracks in the gravel trap in one image I saw, it looks like the car barrel rolls and could have hopped over the tyre barrier. if anyone has seen a video to confirm this would be helpful.

You talk about a "second fence" here but if you look closer at the picture, you can see this is the only fence in that place. No "first fence" at the position of the guardrail at all.

[kerb]

Originally Posted by Yannick

You talk about a "second fence" here but if you look closer at the picture, you can see this is the only fence in that place. No "first fence" at the position of the guardrail at all.

when I say second fence, I mean the perimeter fence. The barrier would be the first fence.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

video of the incident..
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2wWvF9hd5Zo

[Woolley]

Looking at the pictures:
armco barrier has folded backwards which may have provided a launch ramp
catch fencing has failed and been demolished

The problem with putting catch fence at the barrier is marshals gaps meaning you can neither stay behind the barrier to communicate nor get over the barrier at the site if needed and so marshal access is severely compromised.

[kerb]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Looking at the pictures:
armco barrier has folded backwards which may have provided a launch ramp
catch fencing has failed and been demolished

The problem with putting catch fence at the barrier is marshals gaps meaning you can neither stay behind the barrier to communicate nor get over the barrier at the site if needed and so marshal access is severely compromised.

i cant tell if the barrier has acted as a launch ramp or the cars landed on top of it during a barrel roll.

what interests me is it looks like the tracks in the gravel stop in the circle