Ambrose and GRM

[Sandgroper]

Great to see Marcos back involved in Motorsport in Australia.

He looked tired of the whole scenario after many years in the states and now has seemed to find the love again.

A great asset thats for sure !

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/06/25...rs-motorsport/

[gravin]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Great to see Marcos back involved in Motorsport in Australia.

He looked tired of the whole scenario after many years in the states and now has seemed to find the love again.

A great asset thats for sure !

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/06/25...rs-motorsport/

Happy to see him return especially with GRM.

Rumour had it that he is seeking a pathway for his daughters into motorsport. What pathway was not mentioned.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by gravin

Happy to see him return especially with GRM.

Rumour had it that he is seeking a pathway for his daughters into motorsport. What pathway was not mentioned.

I love rumours, who is saying that?

[GTRMagic]

Yet GRM has many categories-full of cars in their workshop, with very few commercial partners hanging around....

Had GRM hired a commercial director it may have been a sign of leveraging what has to be said are under utilised assets...

Still waiting for a 2021 Bathurst wildcard from this group... the cars in their shed will be ineligible next season... the last juice taken from the lemon?

[gravin]

Originally Posted by Casper

I love rumours, who is saying that?

Was in the comments section on the SC article on Marcos joining GRM.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Still waiting for a 2021 Bathurst wildcard from this group... the cars in their shed will be ineligible next season... the last juice taken from the lemon?

You might ask the Herne family about the juice taken from the Lemon...

[GTRMagic]

Artivle Here

Article makes reference to some health issues for Mr Ambrose.
It’s not the first time it has been mentioned, and again is not explored or shared.

Indeed much of the GRM Combine this year was run allegedly without the presence of the creator…

I am sure there will be complaints around rights to privacy, yet arguably Mr Ambrose remains a public figure, and that his pronouncements in various media outlets are designed to draw attraction to whatever projects they are working on.. so it would be interesting to understand regardless.

Poor journalism? Again. Still.

[Jack65]

Not poor journalism, but responsible journalism. Do we really need to know every little detail about somebody's private life? Unless a medical condition is precluding somebody from performing their job, it's none of our business.

[GTRMagic]

Responsible/lazy..
A bloke with a fan following of 20 years+ standing both here and in the US, you just might have thought some supports would be interested and sympathetic to such details.

Let’s just keep reading about the shadow boxing at Erebus some more instead..

[Jack65]

Obviously Ambrose doesn't want to discuss it, end of.

[Mixer]

The whole combine is just a nothingburger.

Especially with S5000 dead. Ambrose for whatever reason commits to things then bails out.

[Ares]

When has, if he doesn't want to talk about it ever mattered. Closer to the truth is there is no scandal to revel in. No point stealing the trash bag, long range camera to peep through the windows, tap the phones. Media today spend more of there time not reporting on the things their masters don't want us knowing about, or just making up news to keep bullshitting us some more. Journalists are from a lost time, they are just propaganda agents today serving their corporate owners. Media should never been aloud to be owned by separate entities.

BlackRock, Vanguard...

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by Ares

When has, if he doesn't want to talk about it ever mattered.

A journalist can ask the question, but if the interviewee declines to answer, then there is nothing to report. Bit like the Kostecki saga, we will only get to know the full story if somebody in the inner circle decides to speak out. If not, it will remain a mystery.

Originally Posted by Ares

Media should never been aloud to be owned by separate entities.

So who should media be owned by?

[Ares]

Originally Posted by Jack65

A journalist can ask the question, but if the interviewee declines to answer, then there is nothing to report. Bit like the Kostecki saga, we will only get to know the full story if somebody in the inner circle decides to speak out. If not, it will remain a mystery.So who should media be owned by?

As this is a motorsport forum I will keep this subject short. Unless they have a thread dedicated to open discussion. Maybe a better question would be who shouldn't own media companies. Considering a strong independent media is said to be a corner stone of a strong and open democracy. The media is supposed to be the watchdog for society.

Maybe multi Trillion dollar corporations who have fingers in pies everywhere in the world, including governments, shouldn't have control or influence in world media. having that much power and influence is not in our best interests. Our interests are for from important to these people.

At no time in modern history have we had so many unelected powerful people pushing their agendas on society as we do right now.

Take 7-8 minutes out of your busy life and take a look at the speech Kennedy gave in the early 60s. The speech on the deep state. This was a warning to the American people, to think he was warning of this back at that time, considering we live in a far darker and complicated would today. This speech has aged very well, probably even more relevant today.

Back to the subject, I couldn't care about Ambrose personal life, or any other drivers for that matter. My past was about the comments on good journalism. nothing more. Also your comment, if someone doesn't want to talk then that's it, It isn't always as simple as that. If someone really wants information they will dig it up.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Not poor journalism, but responsible journalism. Do we really need to know every little detail about somebody's private life? Unless a medical condition is precluding somebody from performing their job, it's none of our business.

Why hasn’t AVL written about this?

He threw everything you say out the window when he relentlessly pressed on with the Kostecki story

If it was good to do that then, why not now?

Originally Posted by Jack65

So who should media be owned by?

Independent outlets

Media in Supercars at the moment is dominated by the series themselves putting it out, outlets who cop an earn from Supercars for services, and outlets who have a relationship with sponsors involved in Supercars

Media In Australian Motorsport is a joke

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by Ares

Also your comment, if someone doesn't want to talk then that's it, It isn't always as simple as that. If someone really wants information they will dig it up.

There are laws and ethical standards around people's medical records. No medical professional is going to leak as they would be stuck off by their professional body and unable to practice. Motorsport Australia would be aware, presuming he holds a competiton licence and their is a requirement to declare, but again that information would be tightly held, so anybody who leaked would be found out and booted. A journalist may be able to feret around on the dark web and find something on the Medicare records that were leaked, but there may be nothing there to find. Offer somebody enough money and you can usually find out anything, but is it worth it in this case, probably not.

Originally Posted by one five five

Why hasn’t AVL written about this?

He threw everything you say out the window when he relentlessly pressed on with the Kostecki story

If it was good to do that then, why not now?

Why hasn’t AVL written about this?

Only AVL can answer what his motivations are for writing a story. I would suggest that in the case of the Kostecki story, he felt that he had enough evidence to be able to stand the story up. Without being a smart arse, AVL has a social media presence, maybe ask him directly? No one else will know for certain.

Originally Posted by one five five

Independent outlets

Media in Supercars at the moment is dominated by the series themselves putting it out, outlets who cop an earn from Supercars for services, and outlets who have a relationship with sponsors involved in Supercars

The reality is that media outlets are businesses, not charities, that are staffed by paid employees not volunteers, so they need an income source. And there are only two; advertising or subscriptions.

Yes V8 Sleuth derives an income from Supercars for services, it is quite open that it provides the stats to the broadcast team and publishes round programmes. But it's not really a hard hitting website, most of its content is pretty light and fluffy, it doesn't pretend otherwise.

It is no coincidence that the majority of advertisers doing business with motorsport publications / websites also have relationships with Supercars and / or teams in the series, as they are both aimed at the same target market.

People like to hark back to the glory days of Auto Action being a hard hitting publication. But that was back in the days of it being one of the most profitable publications (in percentage terms) in Kerry Packer's empire. The world changed since then, as the availability of information online increased, sales dwindled to the point that it was wound up.

The only way you could ever have a truly independent media would be to have it go behind a paywall and only derive income from subscriptions. But with a generation of people that for the past 20 years have received their news for free, that would be a hard sell. Motorsport News tried it about 15 years ago after it became an online only publication, and it didn't work. Bit like when the broadcast moved from free-to-air to pay television, some were sufficiently invested to take up a Foxtel subscription, but many weren't.

[rik]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Not poor journalism, but responsible journalism. Do we really need to know every little detail about somebody's private life? Unless a medical condition is precluding somebody from performing their job, it's none of our business.

On that basis why would a responsible journalist mention the health issue at all? It's just asking for people to go digging for further information.