HSCC Anounces Historic Touring Car Legends

[Peter Mallett]

I wrote this earlier in the week. It got quite a bit of traction on FB although much of it was about costs/cheating etc. We've been discussing the level of entries at Brands this weekend so what are your thoughts on this?

Caveat: I've raced with HSCC, MRL, Masters and HRDC (although the latter's cars only affect MRL's Tony Dron Trophy) and generally I've found these organisations to be good for competitors.

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Any thoughts?

[Speedy norm]

Surely the answer is to impose an 86 cut off , would this bring out the Rovers and BMW 635's ? Not sure where this puts the M3 .
Peter Auto seem to get healthy grids

[Peter Mallett]

Well yes, but that's not what they are doing. The M3 and Sierra Cosworth were post 86.

[Moneyseeker]

Surely this replicating grids that are already out there?

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[Peter Mallett]

I think so, but I'll be interested to see what happens. As I said there are lots of pre 1986 Group A cars just not coming out. Ric Wood sponsors the MRL HTC so he's unlikely to want to remove the post 86 cars, so I wonder if a new class structure will be proposed?

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

I think so, but I'll be interested to see what happens. As I said there are lots of pre 1986 Group A cars just not coming out. Ric Wood sponsors the MRL HTC so he's unlikely to want to remove the post 86 cars, so I wonder if a new class structure will be proposed?

A suitable class structure is required if all these types or cars are to tun in the same series. Even if it ends up being double figures!

Or serious talks should takr place about one of the series specifically catering for upto 1986 cars and the other for 1987 onwards?

I could see that working although cars like Mark Burton's lovely VLSS Holden Commodore would be better suited to the older era!!

[Willmaz223]

The first round has attracted an entry of 13 Cars.

Race 2 & 14 Touring Car Legends
5 Toby Partridge/ BMW E30
Steve Soper
6 Max Goff/ Ford Sierra RS500
Ian Goff
8 Darren Fielding BMW E30 M3
17 Mark Smith BMW M3
25 Nick Bartlett BMW E30M3
35 Mike Manning Ford RS500
44 Ash Muldoon BMW E30
50 Paul Eaton Holden Commodore
57 Joe Gomm Ford Escort Mk1 BDA
85 Daniel Brown/ Ford Sierra RS500
Sean Brown

[Peter Mallett]

Hmm. No Group A pre 1986.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Hmm. No Group A pre 1986.

Same thoughts here..

Seems like caterimg for same cars as the current MRL series!

To make a real difference this new series should be for Gr.2, pre'86 Gr.A and later Gr.1 on slicks...

[Speedy norm]

Looking at live timing on tsl it appears Rick Wood has turned up in his Skyline and obliterated the field .
Agree, it should be earlier Gp A / GP 1

[Peter Mallett]

Oh dear. Looks like he was sandbagging in qualifying.

[morninggents]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Oh dear. Looks like he was sandbagging in qualifying.

It sounded a real beast of a car and well driven by Ric Wood.

Whereas the Sierra RS500's gave a little hiss on the overrun as they changed up the Skyline gave several loud bangs and loads of flame from the exhaust.
Impressive.

[Peter Mallett]

Ric is a pretty good peddler and the godzillas are spectacular. But they are inappropriate for the category, which is exactly why international Group A died.

[morninggents]

Yes. I don't disagree.

[flatlandsman]

But someone like him will always pick one, has to be said sorry

[Greem]

Having spent my first weekend in orange overalls in exactly 52 weeks, I must say that the Touring Car Legends were an enormous disappointment for me. Nowhere near enough cars, unfortunately. Too much disparity in performance, and too long a race.

It's a shame because I was really looking forward to it.

Some of the other races did make up for that though!

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Ric is a pretty good peddler and the godzillas are spectacular. But they are inappropriate for the category, which is exactly why international Group A died.

There is no point running a series for the same periods of cars as the MRL one!

HSCC should leave MRL to cater for the later cars abd concentrate of promotimg the older cars, of which there are a great many needimg a proper, semsibly run series to race im.

[percy]

I agree - disappointing grid, but there was a bit of close racing in the mid-pack...
A few pics.

[Speedy norm]

And its also disappointing to see the old " Bybox " series for pre 66 saloons all but gone with no stand alone series for them.

[geordiecriag101]

Not wanting to hijack the thread too much, but dose anyone know what happened to the the ThunderSports for this meeting? They only had 2 meetings this years, this one and Croft but it disappeared from this one and hasn't be mentioned since.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by geordiecriag101

Not wanting to hijack the thread too much, but dose anyone know what happened to the the ThunderSports for this meeting? They only had 2 meetings this years, this one and Croft but it disappeared from this one and hasn't be mentioned since.

Lack of entries, I believe. There was an attempt to plug the gap at Donington with some allcomers races, which were also canned due to a lack of cars.