Dreaming of a FIA/FIM Motorsport World Cup - Formula event

[NaBUru38]

Hi, folks! Today I woke up dreaming of a FIA/FIM Motorsport World Cup, the equivalent of the Olympics and the FIFA, FIBA, IAAF and IRB World Cups. It would be held in a rotating single venue every four years. It would show all motorsport disciplines in a single event, promote technology development and road safety, and attract major audiences.

The main disciplines would be formula racing, sports prototypes, grand tourers, touring cars, rallying, rallycross, superbikes, motocross, enduro and trial. Secondary disciplines could be oval racing, trucks, drifting, hillclimbing, ice racing, freestyle motoross, etc. The final events would be karting and minibikes, with the podium finishers and polesitters from all the disciplines.

Each country would field up to 3 drivers in each discipline, so in a 24-vehicle grid there could be over a dozen countries represented.

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Rather than expensive F1, I'd run the formula event with cheaper but still powerful IndyCar, GP2, Formula Renault 3.5 or AutoGP. This would be my formula grid:

o- Germany: Vettel, Schumacher, Rosberg
o- Britain: Button, Hamilton, Franchitti
o- France: Grosjean, Pagenaud, Bourdais
o- United States: Rahal, Hunter-Reay, Andretti
o- Canada: Hinchcliffe
o- Mexico: Pérez
o- Brazil: Massa, Barrichello, Castroneves
o- Australia: Webber, Power, Briscoe
o- New Zealand: Dixon
o- Japan: Kobayashi, Sato
o- Spain: Alonso, Serviá
o- Finland: Raikkonen, Kovalainen
o- Russia: Petrov

Who would you pick?

[ptclaus98]

Briscoe over Ricciardo is laughable.

[NaBUru38]

Well, winning multiple IndyCar races for Penske ranks higher to me than winning Formula Renault 3.5 and getting hired by a Formula 1 team based in Faenza.

[ptclaus98]

Briscoe has been awful since 2009. Second rate in every way. Ricciardo has shown quality like few before him in lower ranks. If it weren't for his F1 duties, he could have been a double FR 3.5 champ in it's most competitive years.

[Coopz21 x]

This isnt a bad dream tbh.. wish this would come real..

[NaBUru38]

Thanks, Coopz!

ptclaus, Briscoe was 5th in 2010 with 1 win, 3 podiums and 8 top 5, and 6th in 2011 with 4 podiums. He did retire at Indianapolis both editions. Remind that this Motorsport World Cup isn't just about the best drivers, but also about the stars.

[ptclaus98]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Thanks, Coopz!

ptclaus, Briscoe was 5th in 2010 with 1 win, 3 podiums and 8 top 5, and 6th in 2011 with 4 podiums. He did retire at Indianapolis both editions. Remind that this Motorsport World Cup isn't just about the best drivers, but also about the stars.

Ricciardo, based on being in F1, already has more star power, and once he replaces Webber, that will grow ten-fold.

[HaydenFan]

So if we have 4 wheels, 2 wheels, dirt and asphalt, why only single seater racers? Why no MotoGP riders? No WRC racers?

[ptclaus98]

Originally Posted by HaydenFan

So if we have 4 wheels, 2 wheels, dirt and asphalt, why only single seater racers? Why no MotoGP riders? No WRC racers?

This is only the Formula part of the equation. I imagine he will be doing the others at a different point.

[NaBUru38]

I mentioned all motorsport disciplines. I wrote the full formula driver list here because this thread is in the formula racing subforum ("This would be my formula grid:"). The sports car list is here. The other lists are a bit easier to pull, so I didn't take time to make them.

[kurski]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Who would you pick?

This would be my formula grid:

o- Argentina: Augusto Scalbi, Gaston Mazzacane, Juan Cruz Álvarez
o- Britain: Danny Watts, Dan Clarke, Jenson Button
o- France: Olivier Panis, Christopher Bouchut, Franck Montagny
o- United States: Alexander Rossi, Jake Rosenzweig, AJ Allmendinger
o- Canada: Alex Tagliani, Andrew Ranger, Robert Wickens
o- Mexico: Pablo Sánchez López, Michel Jourdain Jr, Salvador Duran
o- Brazil: Enrique Bernoldi, Antonio Pizzonia, Christian Fittipaldi
o- Australia: James Courtney, Mark Webber, Renee Gracie
o- Sweden: Axl Danielsson, Björn Wirdheim, Stefan Johansson
o- Japan: Kosuke Matsuura, Hiroki Yoshimoto, Kamui Kobayashi
o- Spain: Fernando Alonso, Javier Villa, Andy Soucek
o- Finland: Heikki Kovalainen, Jesse Krohn, Mika Vähämäki
o- Russia: Mikhail Aleshin, Vitaly Petrov, Roman Rusinov

[Beryl]

That seems very random, kurski. Are they your favourites?

OPs list is just F1 and Indycar drivers, ignoring other formula.

[Formulahistory]

In the right Order

Germany: Sebastian Vettel, Nico Rosberg, Michael Schumacher
Britain: Lewis Hamilton, Jenson Button, James Calado
Finland: Kimi Räikkönen, Valtteri Bottas, Heikki Kovalainen
Australia: Mark Webber, Will Power, Daniel Ricciardo
Brazil: Rubens Barrichello, Felipe Nasr, Hélio Castroneves
Spain: Fernando Alonso, Jaime Alguersuari, Daniel Juncadella
France: Sébastien Bourdain, Romain Grosjean, Simon Pagenaud
Denmark: Jan Magnussen, Marco Sorensen, Tom Kristensen
Italy: Davide Valsecchi, Giancarlo Fisichella, Raffaele Marciello
Russia: Vitaly Petrov, Sergey Sirotkin, Daniil Kvyat
Swiss: Sébastien Buemi, Fabio Leimer, Nico Müller
Japan: Takuma Sato, Kamui Kobayashi, Kazuki Nakajima
Netherlands: Robin Frijns, Giedo van der Garde, Nigel Melker
New Zealand: Scott Dixon, Mitch Evans, Chris van der Drift
Mexico: Sergio Perez, Michel Jourdain jr., Esteban Gutiérrez
Canada: Jacques Villeneuve, Robert Wickens, James Hinchcliffe
Portugal: Antonio Felix da Costa, Alvaro Parente, Tiago Monteiro
Columbia: Juan-Pablo Montoya, Carlos Munoz, Oscar Tunjo
Austria: Lucas Auer, René Binder, Alexander Wurz
Monaco: Stefano Coletti, Stéphane Richelmi, Olivier Beretta
Venezuela: Pastor Maldonado, Ernesto Viso, Johnny Cecotto jr.
Belgia: Stoffel Vandoorne, Jérôme D'Ambrosio, Bars Leinders
USA: Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal, Charlie Kimball
Sweden: Marcus Ericsson, Kenny Bräck, Jimmy Eriksson
Hungary: Zsolt Baumgartner, Tamás Pál Kiss, Norbert Michelisz
India: Narain Karthikeyan, Karun Chandhock, Armaan Ebrahim
Argentinia: José Mar?*a Lopez, Facundo Regalia, Gaston Mazzacane
Malaysia: Alex Yoong, Fairuz Fauzy, Nabil Jeffri
Czech: Jan Charouz, Filip Salaquarda, Jaroslav Janis
China: Ho-Pin Tung, Ma Qing Hua, Adderly Fong

[NaBUru38]

No Massa, Franchitti, Briscoe, Hunter-Reay or Serviá?

The rest of your list is fine, but I was thinking about less than 30 drivers.

Mazzacane should never drive a race car again.

[Beryl]

I agree with much of formulahistory's list. I cut out some countries and some no hopers from represented countries and got it down to a more reasonable 48 drivers. I also made some changes (like Pagenaud over Bianchi, Vergne and Duval?), but not many.

Germany: Sebastian Vettel, Nico Rosberg, Nico Hulkenburg
Britain: Lewis Hamilton, Jenson Button, James Calado
Finland: Kimi Räikkönen, Valteri Bottas, Heikki Kovalainen
Australia: Mark Webber, Will Power, Daniel Ricciardo
Brazil: Rubens Barrichello, Felipe Nasr, Felipe Massa
Spain: Fernando Alonso, Jaime Alguersuari, Daniel Juncadella
France: Jules Bianchi, Romain Grosjean, Loic Duval
Italy: Davide Valsecchi, Raffaele Marciello
Russia: Vitaly Petrov
Swiss: Sébastien Buemi, Fabio Leimer, Nico Müller
Japan: Kamui Kobayashi, Kazuki Nakajima, Koudai Tsukakoshi
Netherlands: Robin Frijns, Giedo van der Garde, Nigel Melker
New Zealand: Scott Dixon, Mitch Evans
Mexico: Sergio Perez, Esteban Gutiérrez
Canada: Robert Wickens, James Hinchcliffe
Portugal: Antonio Felix da Costa
Austria: Lucas Auer, Alexander Wurz
Monaco: Stefano Coletti
Venezuela: Pastor Maldonado
Belgia: Stoffel Vandoorne, Jérôme D'Ambrosio
USA: Alexander Rossi, Ryan Hunter-Reay

[Formulahistory]

Yes, but all countries should have the same numbers of drivers.

And I think that Sirotkin and Kvyat are promising drivers for example.

[Beryl]

I assume the car will be "big", so I tried to avoid leaving off youngsters that haven't accomplished all that much or don;t have much experience in "big" cars and thus might not be ready to go head-to-head with the best. I probably should have left off Lucas Auer too.

[NaBUru38]

Thread bump!

As we are in Olympic spirit, here's my grid proposal:

• Team World: Lance Stroll, Charles Leclerc.
• Britain: Lewis Hamilton, Lando Norris.
• Germany: Nico Hülkenberg, Pascal Wehrlein.
• Netherlands: Max Verstappen, Robin Frijns.
• France: Pierre Gasly, Esteban Ocon.
• Switzerland: Sébastien Buemi, Nico Müller.
• Italy: Luca Ghiotto, Andrea Kimi Antonelli.
• Iberia 1: Carlos Sainz Jr, Fernando Alonso.
• Iberia 2: Alex Palou, António Félix da Costa.
• Sweden: Marcus Ericsson, Felix Rosenqvist.
• Denmark: Kevin Magnussen, Christian Lundgaard.
• Baltic: Valtteri Bottas, Paul Aron.
• United States: Colton Herta, Josef Newgarden.
• Mexico: Sergio Pérez, Pato O'Ward.
• Argentina: Agustin Canapino, Franco Colapinto.
• Brazil: Gabriel Bortoleto, Enzo Fittipaldi.
• Caribbean: Zane Maloney, Kyffin Simpson.
• Australia: Daniel Ricciardo, Oscar Piastri.
• New Zealand 1: Mitch Evans, Nick Cassidy.
• New Zealand 2: Scott Dixon, Scott McLaughlin.
• Japan: Yuki Tsunoda, Tomoki Nojiri.
• Rest of Asia: Zhou Guanyu, Alexander Albon.

[Alessio]

In the spirit of the Olympics, I think the drivers should be 'amateurs' or at least not have competed at the highest level of their discipline (i.e. F1/WRC1/MotoGP/WEC LMH). The criteria I've used is each country must have 2 drivers with at least 1 season of single-seater competition below F1/WEC/Indy and are still competing in any form of motorsport.

Angola: Rui Andrade, Lorenzo Campos
Argentina: Franco Colapinto, Marcos Siebert
Australia: Christian Mansell, James Wharton
Austria: Charlie Wurz, Josh Dufek
Belgium: Amaury Cordeel, Thomas Strauven
Brazil: Gabriel Bortoleto, Rafael Camara
Canada: Patrick Woods-Toth, Nico Christodoulou
Chile: Nico Pino, Nicolas Ambiado
China: Gao Yujia, Ruiqi Liu
Colombia: Sebastian Montoya, Maximiliano Restrepo
Denmark: Frederik Vesti, Noah Strømsted
Estonia: Paul Aron, Juri Vips (technically not legal but eh)
France: Victor Martins, Isack Hadjar
Germany: Oliver Goethe, Tim Tramnitz
GB: Taylor Barnard, Arvid Lindblad
India: Kush Maini, Nikhil Bohra
Indonesia: Sean Gelael, Presley Martono
Ireland: Alex Dunne, Niall Murray
Israel: Alon Day, Roy Nissany
Italy: Kimi Antonelli, Gabriele Mini
Japan: Ritomo Miyata, Ayumu Iwasa
South Korea: Michael Shin, Roelof Bruins
Malaysia: Akash Nandy, Nazim Azman
Mexico: Rafael Villagomez, Noel Leon
Monaco: Arthur Leclerc, Louis Prette
Morocco: Suleiman Zanfari, Sami Taoufik
Netherlands: Richard Verschoor, Laurens van Hoepen
Norway: Dennis Hauger, Martinius Stenshorne
Philippines: Bianca Bustamente, Juancho Brobio
Poland: Roman Bilinski, Kacper Sztuka
Portugal: Ivan Domingues, Francisco Macedo
Spain: Pepe Marti, Mari Boya
Sweden: Dino Beganovic, Gustav Jonsson
Thailand: Sandy Stuvik, Tas Inthrapuvasak
UAE: Federico Rifai, Hamda Al Qubaisi
USA: Jak Crawford, Jacob Abel

2 heat races per team, final for the Top 20...

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Alessio

In the spirit of the Olympics, I think the drivers should be 'amateurs' or at least not have competed at the highest level of their discipline...

With respect, that's now a fairly outdated 'spirit'.......

[NaBUru38]

Thanks for the proposal, Alessio!

Also yours are not technically amateurs either. How about a Bronze Olympics?

[Alessio]

Perhaps a slightly outdated tradition, but it’s still sort of present in some sports. I modelled it based on footballs U25 concept (somewhat similar to A1GP too). Perhaps not ‘amateur’ but with an aim to avoid F1/IndyCar/WEC LMH/Gold or Platinum GT drivers as best as I can.

Also, if the Olympics were to take up Motorsport again, I’d probably propose drifting, rally and KZ karting as the disciplines so as to maximise the number of involved nations.

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Thanks for the proposal, Alessio!

Sure, great one! Just you could add Switzerland may be? As to the "big" car thinking about the BMW M1 Procar may be a BMW or a 911? Mustang? Yeah, I know someone suggested a 2CV, but should be turboed and much more.

[Alessio]

I couldn’t think of a Swiss driver duo, perhaps Boschung and Lena Buhler? I don’t think either are still competing though.

Another conundrum… which country would win out of our 2 versions? F1 included, surely Britain although Germany, Netherlands, Australia and NZ1 would definitely offer a good fight. As for the “amateurs”, France then Brazil and Italy seems like a good bookies bet?

Regarding a suitable car choice, how about Mitjet? If we have to go electric, and I’m sure the Olympics would, how about a tarmac-only tuned WRX car?

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by Alessio

As for the “amateurs”, France then Brazil and Italy seems like a good bookies bet?
Regarding a suitable car choice, how about Mitjet? If we have to go electric, and I’m sure the Olympics would, how about a tarmac-only tuned WRX car?

Yes good pick for France. Mitjet? Not sure. If you go this way, may be a Ligier JS2 R or a Lamera would be better? Not sure either!