What Magazines/Websites/Writers Do You Read? (Merged x3)

[Jack65]

Depends on how you want to define independent. Independent as in having an owner who does not have a financial stake in the category or a team? Auto Action, Motorsport.com, Speedcafe and V8 Sleuth all tick that box. Doesn't mean that there aren't conflicts between some people within these organisations and some people in team land that may effect on what and what isn't reported, but that is a fact of life that will never change.

Obviously part of being accredited media requires a degree of towing the line, but that doesn't mean unfavourable news is just swept under the carpet. The reporting of the Kostecki / Erebus stoush earlier this year proved that.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Depends on how you want to define independent. Independent as in having an owner who does not have a financial stake in the category or a team? Auto Action, Motorsport.com, Speedcafe and V8 Sleuth all tick that box. Doesn't mean that there aren't conflicts between some people within these organisations and some people in team land that may effect on what and what isn't reported, but that is a fact of life that will never change.

Any conflicts like you mention are either not tolerated or explicitly acknowledged in other sports, yet it’s just brushed over as “oh well” in Supercars.

Independent means your magazine/website/podcast etc… exists to report the news, good or bad, no matter the consequences.


It was reported this week Betty has bought into AA, V8Sleuth provides stats to Supercars Media and produces their event programmes and media guide, Speedcafe could be more independent but they’ve got Supercars aligned partners and an editor who sounds like he’s getting an autograph anytime he interviews someone from the sport.

None of those are properly independent and therefore are not reporting unbiased and neutral to the fans

The fact some posts are defending this proves my point, most fans don’t care that the news reporting isn’t independent or unbiased.

Originally Posted by Jack65

Obviously part of being accredited media requires a degree of towing the line, but that doesn't mean unfavourable news is just swept under the carpet

No it doesn’t! In any serious sport your accreditation is certainly not judged on toeing the line. Look at reporting in F1, Indycar, or locally AFL or NRL.

There’s no denying Supercars deny accreditation to anyone who dares to criticise the gospel, look what happened to Peter Mckay

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by one five five

Any conflicts like you mention are either not tolerated or explicitly acknowledged in other sports, yet it’s just brushed over as “oh well” in Supercars.

Rubbish, there are plenty of both too cosy relationships and feuds between journalists and players, managers and officials within other sports that influences what is and isn't reported or agendas are pushed. Some are well documented, some not.

Originally Posted by one five five

Independent means your magazine/website/podcast etc… exists to report the news, good or bad, no matter the consequences.

Magazines, websites and podcasts are businesses. They are not moral crusaders and have a legal framework that they need to operate within. Most are small businesses that would not have deep enough pockets to fight a major defamation action.

Originally Posted by one five five

It was reported this week Betty has bought into AA

If that has happened, then that is a conflict of interest.

Originally Posted by one five five

V8Sleuth provides stats to Supercars Media and produces their event programmes and media guide

It has also been transparent about that. Doesn't mean that it only runs good news Supercars stories though.

Originally Posted by one five five

Speedcafe could be more independent but they’ve got Supercars aligned partners and an editor who sounds like he’s getting an autograph anytime he interviews someone from the sport.

Some of its advertisers are also sponsors of teams / the series. Hardly surprising given that they are marketing to the same audience. Speedcafe's editor didn't exactly toe the party line with the Kostecki thing did he?

Originally Posted by one five five

None of those are properly independent and therefore are not reporting unbiased and neutral to the fans.

So who should be bringing this unbiased and neutral news? You seem to be able to find fault in just about everyone involved.

Originally Posted by one five five

There’s no denying Supercars deny accreditation to anyone who dares to criticise the gospel, look what happened to Peter Mckay

Put him out of his misery. McKay loathed V8 Supercars, having never been able to accept that it had comprehensively won the battle against Super Touring.

[one five five]

The fact you are arguing so hard for the existing media portrayal of Supercars, just proves my point that the fans don’t care where the news comes from and whether it’s unbiased or not.

Originally Posted by Jack65

Magazines, websites and podcasts are businesses. They are not moral crusaders and have a legal framework that they need to operate within. Most are small businesses that would not have deep enough pockets to fight a major defamation action.

If they are printing facts, they’ve got nothing to worry about

Originally Posted by Jack65

?So who should be bringing this unbiased and neutral news? You seem to be able to find fault in just about everyone involved..

Anyone who’s focus is on telling us the news and writing stories, with no extra curricular activities which involve earning coin working FOR the series you’re supposed to be unbiasedly reporting on.

The lot we currently rely on are far too insular to Supercars, it’s just a circle jerk.

Originally Posted by Jack65

. McKay loathed V8 Supercars, having never been able to accept that it had comprehensively won the battle against Super Touring.

Perhaps you need to reread some of his prose from the time.

McKay was certainly critical of AVESCO and Tony Cochrane, but he also stuck the pen into TOCA and the traditional Bathurst as well.

It said something that when Cochrane pulled his hard card, V8Supercar teams themselves gave him passes to get him into the track to report for, you know, Fairfax media, kind of a big player….

[Just Do It!]

Hopefully, you've both emptied your bladders now.

There, there. Would you like a cold beverage??

[Mixer]

I have not listened to Apex Hunters yet but these allegations from Scott Pye seem just a bit far fetched. He seemed like he got the amount of coverage that a co-driver at a top team deserved?

Seems a long bow that Supercars media would close ranks over Erebus...