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Funny because Ford won everything when they had 888, and then Penske.
What does that tell you? Also one very good reason the best Ford team are going to homologate the Supra. Sent from my SM-S908E using Tapatalk |
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Yesterday, 07:32 (Ref:4230933) | #52 | |
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Merc & Volvo? pretty much anything not GM. Six Fords in the top ten so far this year. One is only a handful of points off P2. Seemed to be a couple of fast Fords at the Mountain on the weekend, just not as good a racecars on the Sunday. The current speed between the cars is crazy close, I'm not sure what you are hinting at?
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Yesterday, 07:39 (Ref:4230934) | #53 | ||
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Anti Ford conspiracy except somehow except when Penske or 888 dominate in them, and no amount of data they scream for fits the narrative.
Lap times were incredibly close who knew a Bathurst with only one safety car would result in gaps between cars? Sent from my SM-S908E using Tapatalk |
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So far it's been a big mistake by Ford to continue in this category imo, whether that continues to be the case we will have to wait and see but so far they have paid out millions to teams that have won nothing of substance and have only made the mustang look undesirable, maybe the only way out for ford is to withdraw from the category and refuse to let the mustang body shape to be used, the remaining Ford teams would then have to reskin their cars as chevs or toyotas. It won't surprise me if toyota suffer the same fate as ford and nissan.
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Yesterday, 08:25 (Ref:4230941) | #57 | |
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Let’s hope the second Toyota team are not running around the back of the grid!
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Yesterday, 08:29 (Ref:4230942) | #58 | |
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Has WAU really made anything they have run win? You are talking about the teams running the cars more than the cars themselves. If 888 went to Ford next year, do you think they would never win again?
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Yesterday, 09:20 (Ref:4230947) | #60 | |
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Yes they do. Winnings teams all have something the others don't, or don't have consistently. It is not easy to do, bake the perfect cake. And then bake it again and again. RD could start another team tomorrow, in time they would start winning. He knows what you need to bake a cake.
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If a manufacturer has only one team running its product, then in the previous generations of Supercars it would be hard to get a real insight into parity (or not) as results, as I mention above, are still heavily influenced by the team (that's naturally why we see some cars from the same manufacturer up the front and others from the same brand much further back). With the current parity testing regime, it'll be down to how well Toyota recruits teams to run their cars. WAU is a good choice & a team that runs at or near the front, the choice of second team will be interesting - & having four cars on track will assist with checking how effectively they've been paritised. Ford has won (so far) 7 races this year & won 5 last year, supposedly "with no real chance of winning". Ford also won plenty of overall championships with previous generation cars (most recently in 2020) so the suggested "no real chance of winning" is clearly false. With today's Gen 3 cars and the testing regime for parity showing real equality, results are down to the teams and no doubt Ford execs rue the day that their predecessors dumped 888 and also wish that DJR could re-kindle some of its 2019/2020 form. Nissan was up against it in the (then) parity system - choosing to run a top-heavy, designed-for-higher-revs 4 valve engine against pushrods in a rev-limited set of rules but also having one team, whose results with Nissans were pretty similar to the results it achieved with Holdens. Short version: I can see Toyota being competitive under the current regime of Gen 3 and it may even win races and/or championships - but that will depend on how well the teams concerned do their thing. |
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