Gen 3 progress

[Mixer]

Ford fans have the agenda - need to get over the fact that DJR will never again be like they were under DJRTP.

It's done, they are cooked.

Need to hope that WAU or Grove can lead Ford out from under DJR's incompetence, but now they have car and engine under their roof.

[Mixer]

For Ford fans in denial about Herrod's role in Ford's engine issues, read Rod Nash's words:

https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/nash-why...had-to-change/

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

For Ford fans in denial about Herrod's role in Ford's engine issues, read Rod Nash's words:

https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/nash-why...had-to-change/

That's neither here nor there, the idea wasn't to build a more powerful engine as it would just be slowed down in the parity process, supercars processes were antiquated and in spite of all the graphs saying that the engines were equal there was a clear difference, now they are telling DJR to tone the new engine down as it's too good.......damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[TWRv12]

Inside Supercars podcast - Rob Herrod and David Noble talk about engines, and the season for the Ford homoligation team in 2023.
https://sportradio.com.au/?p=12155

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Honestly it's hard to believe that some of you blokes can write such crap.

Kettle/Pot black.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Kettle/Pot black.

Great comeback.

[V8 Fireworks]

BMW would prefer production based regulations for the ATCC:

...you always come past the V8 Supercars and your championship in Australia because, at the end, it's a fascinating championship.

...the GT3 car which is still based on the on the road car... What is nice with the GT4, GT3 car, it's a car you develop once and you can run worldwide all over the world.

- Andreas Roos, Head of BMW M Motorsport
https://speedcafe.com/bmw-always-monitoring-supercars/

The ATCC is certainly lacking the production-based synergy that allowed Frank Gardner Racing and LoGaMo to run 635csi and M3 models.

Interestingly, Ford Performance already has a production-based GT3 Mustang...

Repair concerns around production bodyshells compared to spaceframe silhouette cars are overblown IMO.

With Ford Performance IP obviously under continual critical review for value-for-money and ROI, ATCC organisers will be pressed to maintain two manufacturers under Gen 3 let alone find more!

Perhaps BOP could be used between Gen 3 cars and front engine GT3 cars, much as LMH and LMDh cars have BOP?

[bluesport]

Aero has been signed off.

https://speedcafe.com/supercars-declares-aero-parity/

[Tourer]

Transient dyno testing scheduled in Michigan for July. That'll be the last piece of the enhanced measurement puzzle in place for Gen 3.

[GTRMagic]

Is there any logic to doing away with the single fuel filler apparatus and replacing it with the long tried & tested dual siamesed fuel nozzles & apertures in use for seemingly forever?

Instead of boring everyone about tyres, it seems each team has some claim to the flow rates being good or bad of indifferent, if they are working at all… such that the cars don’t take the intended amount of fuel, under or over, and stuffs up the strategy?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Is there any logic to doing away with the single fuel filler apparatus and replacing it with the long tried & tested dual siamesed fuel nozzles & apertures in use for seemingly forever?

I suspect that the problem would be where the filler is currently located on the car - not enough room for the siamesed filler.

If they moved it to another location (like I don't know, the rear quarter) then they could stick with the siamesed gear, that has proved itself time and again PLUS not have the issue of the refueller and any team member needing to open the door tripping over each other.

[Tourer]

Larko reckons they should re-introduce cockpit adjustable bars.

Could't agree with him more - ridiculous that the bars aren't driver adjustable any more. I reckon we'd get better racing at the front as the good operators can adjust their cars on the fly and have a crack, instead of being stuck with the setup that they have.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Larko reckons they should re-introduce cockpit adjustable bars.

Could't agree with him more - ridiculous that the bars aren't driver adjustable any more. I reckon we'd get better racing at the front as the good operators can adjust their cars on the fly and have a crack, instead of being stuck with the setup that they have.

Mr Kostecki Reckons Keep Gen3 Without Adjustable Bars

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mr Kostecki Reckons Keep Gen3 Without Adjustable Bars

I reckon line up 15 drivers and you'd get 15 different opinions. No doubt Mr Kostecki likes it as is - he's had good results.

Interesting that Mr SVG on a recent podcast was very negative about the loss of the cockpit adjustment for ARBs.

Personally, I think it gives drivers an opportunity to adjust their cars around fuel loads, tyre wear etc and is likely to be better for racing, but I've got no empirical measurement to back that up, just a feeling.

[GTRMagic]

Perhaps the bar adjustments would allow for changes to the car every single lap, as Mr Van Gisbergen used to do, almost corner to corner alongside twiddling the brake bias controls.

If the series puts the control of these things back in the hands of the drivers, perhaps it reduces the need/talent of engineers to get the car in the window, and adjust it at various pit stops…

Can recall in the PCR days, when the ex-Briggs/888 car was being repaired after a decent sized crash, the team borrowed a shell from LMS which had adjustable roll bars, while their original car did not. Speed and consistency apparently improved significantly…

That said… it probably won’t help the mobs with all the gear and very little idea…