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Mark Webber · 22 Oct 2003, 01:58 (Ref:758930)

yes it can be more expensive but I'm sure makes like Toyota & Mist'o would love a crack at Ford and Holden in this form of racing so it would rely alot on the local makers but it can be done just like the Brutes but a little wilder it could steel alot of thunder form the V8 if marketed well .
Consider companies like Leaseplan use these type of cars day in day out I belive funding could be obtained again compianes like Orix /Leaseplan are no strangers to Motorsport .
Using control tyres and ECU's , areo(rear wing ala ST) cut cost heavly . I'm not saying it would have to be as wild as ST spec just something along the line of .
some thing like tyres (control ) could be taken from V8's .
this type of series would not BE impossble
Even running it off season like a summer series which would give TEN a better reason to pick it up and some Name drivers a chance to compete

Zinger · 22 Oct 2003, 02:09 (Ref:758936)

How many different Manufacturers in Australia are out there that have geniunly been involved in motorsport here.

Nissan
Holden
Ford
Toyota - had a corolla program
Mitsubshi - started production car racing with the starions

I am sure there are plenty more.

Mark Webber · 22 Oct 2003, 02:59 (Ref:758964)

SPOT ON so I think a 6cyl series would work

aj_308 · 22 Oct 2003, 03:10 (Ref:758973)

nice idea, but what makes you think holden and ford would want to play? they already have the most popular catagory in the country, why would they want to lose to another manufacturer?

Mark Webber · 22 Oct 2003, 03:26 (Ref:758980)

name me a road class Ford and Holden don't run in some form

I think the XR6 would be the one to catch any way and HSV could market the XU6 again from the dead

**GTRMagic** · 22 Oct 2003, 03:36 (Ref:758985)

As official entries? They dont run officially in anything except Supercar, and show events like Targa and the Nations Cup Monaro project

pete55 · 22 Oct 2003, 03:40 (Ref:758988)

Volvo, VW, Audi, Mazda, Peugeot & Alfa Romeo have had or still have a motorsport interest. Maybe Manufactures such as Honda and others could also enter a series based on a Production Vehicle. With limited modifications i'm sure it would be a hit. As i've said before though, i think it should be an endurance series as it brings so many more varialbes into it.

Mark Webber · 22 Oct 2003, 04:13 (Ref:758995)

Holden was in ST with Henderson and Richards to a point in the Vectra

Mark Webber · 22 Oct 2003, 04:18 (Ref:758996)

as for the Euro's and Jap cars if they complied sure let them run but I think it would be a winner in 6cyl format to start off the 4cyl's would have to wait

Zinger · 22 Oct 2003, 07:05 (Ref:759070)

There are plenty of Jap 6 cyclinder cars out there.

mixxer · 22 Oct 2003, 13:00 (Ref:759482)

And they (manufacturers other than holden and ford) have already had numerous opportunities to enter various forms of motorsport and they havent so why are these manufacturers going to commit to something now ? remember if it wasnt for the individual teams hard work chasing these other munufacturers we wouldnt see Company's like Mitsubishi and Toyota in any form of motorsport in OZ.
thats my 2c

Bigguy · 22 Oct 2003, 13:02 (Ref:759485)

I suspect that you people are forgetting the BTCC experience... It seemed to blossom to an awesome extent, with more and more manufacturers getting involved, until someone worked out that coming tenth or worse was a negative marketing effort, so the manufacturers pulled out until the (relative) farce it is today. This effect is echoed in most other Euro sedan championships...

And >they< have way bigger markets to absorb the horrendous costs.

So don't expect any new "factory" teams from importers to Oz. They just can't afford it. I heard that for example, Inchape spends $60 for every Subaru sold in Australia, just to fund a two car rally team. I suspect a serious circuit effort would cost heaps more.

rossp1 · 22 Oct 2003, 14:00 (Ref:759567)

Actually there is silhouette and silhouette.
V8 supercars is silhouette and now basically modeled around NASCAR. That version of silhouette is expensive.
now New Zealand and American Tranzam that,s silhouette and 20 % of the cost of a supercar team to run and fast lap times.

mixxer · 22 Oct 2003, 14:26 (Ref:759601)

Ross Does Procar have Manufacturers approaching them to run in any of their classes or is it the teams that try to get a certain car homologated that do all the work ?

rossp1 · 22 Oct 2003, 21:01 (Ref:759979)

mixxer,
It is a combination of both.Manufacturer support of teams is definitely fostered at PROCAR. There has been alot of interest by manufacturers especially in GTP and APCC over the last 6 months.
Expect to see some surpise announcements over the coming next few months in terms of increaed manufacturer support in all our categories due to a major manufacturer initiative which we have been planning for 3 years or more.

Mark Webber · 22 Oct 2003, 21:25 (Ref:760000)

So Ross would Procar think of a 6cyl class as mentioned above?

rossp1 · 22 Oct 2003, 23:14 (Ref:760096)

Mark, I guess it would be the same as jaguar suggesting to you that you put a 6 cylider in your F1 car so to speak.
It,s great for the purists but has no commercial appeal in terms of a strong fan base.
If HOLDEN actually reintroduced the TORANA which I believe is a good idea it could go in the Australain Production Car Championship where it would compete with existing BA XR6 turbo [McIlroy] and Toyota Camry.
There really in my opinion at this point in time is not a strong opening for another FORD vs HOLDEN battle.
We already have a number of those series[granted you are talking about 6cyliders] which cater very well for those FORD HOLDEN gladiator fans.
1.AVESCO V8 supercars
2.KONICA SERIES
3.V8 BRutes www.V8Brutes.com
4.Saloon Cars.
That,s not to say that it isn,t worth thinking about in the future.

Mark Webber · 23 Oct 2003, 02:26 (Ref:760180)

I just Thought it would be away the makers like Toyota/ Mits'o could get in to it in a major class without going to AVESCO & TC in which they would always be behind the 8 ball if they ever get in just as BMW was in 93/94 at the start of this V8 sillness

mixxer · 23 Oct 2003, 04:42 (Ref:760225)

Quote:

Originally posted by rossp1
mixxer,
It is a combination of both.Manufacturer support of teams is definitely fostered at PROCAR. There has been alot of interest by manufacturers especially in GTP and APCC over the last 6 months.
Expect to see some surpise announcements over the coming next few months in terms of increaed manufacturer support in all our categories due to a major manufacturer initiative which we have been planning for 3 years or more.

Ross thanks for the response.
Well I hope that the increased "Manufacturer support" will increase the Procar profile

What do you have planned to bring more spectators to the events I attended PI and Winton Rnds and was suprised how small the crowd was at both events (compared to the V8 rnds at the same tracks).

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