LMP1 Program on a Shoestring - Page 7

cybersdorf · 31 Jan 2004, 09:47 (Ref:857347)

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Originally posted by Tim Northcutt
and mostly small crowds

Yeah that was me.

JAG · 31 Jan 2004, 18:39 (Ref:857831)

Regarding the competitiveness of older cars in FIA SCC, I've just been watching the Donnington race on Sky Sports and the commentators said that the DBA was running at 800KG and the Dome at 965KG due to there single role hoop.

This may go some way to explaing how the older cars have been more competitive than expected.

It also shows how much potential the DBA has. If it can run ahead of the Domes, at 800KG, with LMP675 restrictors, imagine what it could do running as a 900KG LMP1 with 600+BHP, or for that matter as a full LMP675 in 2004.

jhansen · 2 Feb 2004, 04:24 (Ref:859704)

I know it was brought up in this thread, or the FIA SCC thread, but the 333SP at the Monza race impressed me. Had a question though. Why did they run the Judd in it? Is that V12 Ferrari no longer competitive, or does it not comply with the regs? Keeping with the shoestring concept, I wonder how much one can be had for? And if any of the new aero thinking could be applied to it?

cybersdorf · 2 Feb 2004, 07:49 (Ref:859777)

The engine was uncompetitive.
The 333SP is a collector's item, I doubt you will get one cheap.

Fab · 2 Feb 2004, 14:03 (Ref:860121)

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Originally posted by cybersdorf
The engine was uncompetitive.

If I can remember, the 333SP won something in its career (a race ? a championship ? Sorry to not be more precise)...

And in 1999, the car was not so bad, in my memories... oh, well, I may turn the reality, because the car was so nice in red... the gearbox was a real pain in the ass, wasn't it ? I remember Jean-Pierre Jabouille very upset (JMB racing) with the blue one... for an endurance gearbow, they had one hour on the track, no more !

cybersdorf · 2 Feb 2004, 14:06 (Ref:860125)

It won something in its career but not toward the end of its career - except in series where the regulations accomodated it. The FIASCC and GA regs did help the engine.

Fab · 2 Feb 2004, 14:12 (Ref:860134)

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Originally posted by cybersdorf
It won something in its career but not toward the end of its career - except in series where the regulations accomodated it. The FIASCC and GA regs did help the engine.

OK. The end was really the end...

Too bad, there's really few open cars more beautiful than this one...

veeten · 2 Feb 2004, 14:41 (Ref:860159)

'98 Daytona 24 Hrs. Theys, Baldi, Moretti, Luyendyke.

veeten · 2 Feb 2004, 14:46 (Ref:860163)

personally, I believe that the 333SP could've had a longer life-span with a better engine, such as those in the 550/575 Maranello GTS. Superior Hp/RPM numbers, and still under the rules for capacity.

Fab · 2 Feb 2004, 14:51 (Ref:860172)

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Originally posted by veeten
'98 Daytona 24 Hrs. Theys, Baldi, Moretti, Luyendyke.

The Momo Ferrari, isn't it ? A real achievement, IMO, for this car...

Fab · 2 Feb 2004, 14:52 (Ref:860175)

At the end, they have a Judd engine, haven't they ?

cybersdorf · 2 Feb 2004, 15:03 (Ref:860187)

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Originally posted by veeten
personally, I believe that the 333SP could've had a longer life-span with a better engine, such as those in the 550/575 Maranello GTS. Superior Hp/RPM numbers, and still under the rules for capacity.

Very true. When the 333SP was designed, 4l was still the maximum capacity for World Sports Car engines.

I believe there were only two Judd conversions (to be known as "Fudds") - the Doran/Lista and GLV/Brums cars.

veeten · 2 Feb 2004, 15:05 (Ref:860189)

that was when they sold the cars to Doran/Lista Racing, and in mid-'99 they replaced the V12 with the Judd 4L V10.

Tim Northcutt · 2 Feb 2004, 15:07 (Ref:860193)

Since they are collector items, the thoughts of getting one on a "Shoestring" would seem remote at best...

and the Ferrari engine options mentioned by veeten would probably have a bunch of red tape to cut through with the factory, unless therre was a privateer that competed with these engines in lower classes and abandoned their project...

Provided Ferrari would let them sell that engine...

cybersdorf · 2 Feb 2004, 15:16 (Ref:860200)

The 6l V12 engine isn't the problem; Prodrive built a whole Ferrari racecar without Ferrari's blessing, and it has done very well so far. But, try and get a chassis! Way too expensive, technically outdated - it's just not worth it.

Tim Northcutt · 2 Feb 2004, 15:21 (Ref:860205)

points well-made, cybersdorf...

veeten · 2 Feb 2004, 15:23 (Ref:860209)

reasons as to why I say this...

instead of "putting all of one's eggs in one basket", as the factory did with the Formula 1 team taking precedence over the funding of motorsports activities, with consequences towards the early development of the 360 Modena GT & 550/575 Maranello GT-R projects, it would've been better if they had remembered their roots and re-established one of the best racing organisations Ferrari ever had... North American Racing Team (N.A.R.T.), with Luigi Chinetti's son in charge.

Not only would this have saved the factory a major sum in development costs, but it would've centralized their sports car programs, given a leg-up in new developments, and allowed the SP to continue well into the the present day.

but maybe that's only me...

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