General Sportscar Chat thread - Page 10

Simmi · 15 Aug 2013, 11:30 (Ref:3290140)

A couple of bona fide sportscar stars of the future about to be whipped from under our nose:

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2013/...es-next-month/

Mike E · 15 Aug 2013, 11:45 (Ref:3290148)

QUOTE "They can definitely go faster with the banking ... same as at Indianapolis, which has a little less than half the banking but is still, at 9 percent, most definitely banked.

Someone asked about lateral G-loads and I think a place like TMS would deliver the highest loads drivers have to endure. For road-racing tracks, i don't know but maybe T8 at Turkey?" QUOTE

A high banked track like Texas produces other load effects. IIRC, a few years ago Champcar was meant to run at TMS but they had to pull out at the last minute because the high speeds they were running at, combined with the steep banking, caused significant vertical G (from the drivers' perspective). This resulted in tunnel vision and the possibility of drivers blacking out due to blood being forced away from their brains.

Maelochs · 15 Aug 2013, 12:14 (Ref:3290161)

Yes, blacking out and graying out at speed ... not all drivers, but enough to force cancellation. I guess that leaves us with F1 at Istanbul.

Speed-King · 15 Aug 2013, 12:46 (Ref:3290174)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

A couple of bona fide sportscar stars of the future about to be whipped from under our nose:

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2013/...es-next-month/

DTM-Test doesn't mean much... that's more like a thank you for a job well done in GT3.

And GT-drivers usually have a hard time in DTM - the only exception seems to be Rockenfeller...

avvelenamento · 15 Aug 2013, 13:01 (Ref:3290176)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

DTM-Test doesn't mean much... that's more like a thank you for a job well done in GT3.

And GT-drivers usually have a hard time in DTM - the only exception seems to be Rockenfeller...

But rockenfeller is a DTM driver that occasionally drives audi lmp1 and gt.

Speed-King · 15 Aug 2013, 14:34 (Ref:3290203)

Quote:

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

But rockenfeller is a DTM driver that occasionally drives audi lmp1 and gt.

And who was a Porsche works driver and Carerra Cup winner before that.

Starfish Primer · 15 Aug 2013, 18:43 (Ref:3290307)

In some interviews DTM drivers have said that driving a DTM is closer to a Formula than a touring car or GT.

jasonjessica09 · 16 Aug 2013, 18:02 (Ref:3290754)

What sportscar race worldwide are you looking forward to the most for the rest of 2013?

TF110 · 16 Aug 2013, 18:31 (Ref:3290761)

Austin (alms/WEC) and Fuji WEC! And the rest of the SuperGT season.

BullMan · 16 Aug 2013, 20:37 (Ref:3290802)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

In some interviews DTM drivers have said that driving a DTM is closer to a Formula than a touring car or GT.

It's pretty much a prototype. Drivers sit in the middle of the car like an open wheel car too.

Beetle · 16 Aug 2013, 22:53 (Ref:3290825)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

In some interviews DTM drivers have said that driving a DTM is closer to a Formula than a touring car or GT.

I tend to disagree. It's definitely not a Formula car (no open wheels) but about a 50/50 between GT and LMP2 Prototype.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

What sportscar race worldwide are you looking forward to the most for the rest of 2013?

LOL, that was random!

Probably Petit Le Mans (that is, if we get a bigger field than we have right now for ALMS), Austin (ALMS/WEC), Fuji (WEC/ASLMS/Super GT), and Bahrain WEC. Oh, and who could forget Bathurst and Gold Coast!

I don't follow V8 Supercars closely but I always tune in for those.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

Austin (alms/WEC) and Fuji WEC! And the rest of the SuperGT season.

Are you coming to Austin for the ALMS/WEC doubleheader weekend? I'd love to meet you there!

It should be a thriller, and probably my final race for 2013 if F1 is as expensive as it was last year.

GT3.14 · 17 Aug 2013, 02:36 (Ref:3290862)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beetle

I tend to disagree. It's definitely not a Formula car (no open wheels) but about a 50/50 between GT and LMP2 Prototype.

Yeah, what would those DTM drivers know about DTM anyway?

The open wheels have nothing to do with it. DTM and single seaters are both very downforce focused concepts. DTM even has DRS now, it's practically F1 silhouette cars! Just put your foot down on the right pedal and only use the brakes when you need to pit. The same applies for both series now! Merc is probably going to be lobbying F1 here soon so they can put a DTM body on the F1 car, the successor to the W196 streamliner.

Joey Hand has experience in single seaters, GTE, and DTM and compares them here. http://www.roadandtrack.com/racing/dtm-racing-defined

Quote:

"The first thing you notice," says Hand, "is that the DTM car has a ton of downforce compared to the [ALMS] GT car. It sits lower and doesn't roll as much. It's more like a formula car. The other big thing you notice is that there's a ton of brake power. You can stop the car super deep."

If you compare the qualifying times of DTM and the ELMS at the Red Bull Ring this year, a DTM car would probably biting on the heels of a P2, maybe even out-qualifying a few of them.

And look at Paul di Resta's career path: Formula Renault > F3 > DTM > F1

TF110 · 17 Aug 2013, 04:01 (Ref:3290875)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beetle

Are you coming to Austin for the ALMS/WEC doubleheader weekend? I'd love to meet you there!

It should be a thriller, and probably my final race for 2013 if F1 is as expensive as it was last year.

It depends on how the gf wants to spend her vacation. Its looking like she wants to visit family and I want to see my first LeMans style race!

Beetle · 17 Aug 2013, 16:56 (Ref:3291034)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

It depends on how the gf wants to spend her vacation. Its looking like she wants to visit family and I want to see my first LeMans style race!

Great, it sounds like I'll be seeing you down there!

TF110 · 17 Aug 2013, 22:08 (Ref:3291105)

If all goes according to plan.

crooky · 19 Aug 2013, 19:58 (Ref:3291828)

Just been browsing and came across a rather strange entry in the 2002 1000KM of Suzuka...

An Audi R8 LMP car!?

Does anyone know the story of this car?

Also intriguingly in the entered car list (http://www.racingsportscars.com/entr...-25-10888.html) is a "BMW V12 LM" although it never turned up disappointingly.

Perhaps one of these to keep the R8 honest?

TF110 · 19 Aug 2013, 20:29 (Ref:3291839)

I think it was entered by Team Goh. Turned a 1:52.xx in qualifying. Whats crazy is GT500 just qualified there in the same pace (1:52's) with the success ballast on top of their 1100kg minimum weight. So ~250kg heavier than that R8 with a little less power, the current GT500 machines are setting equal and faster times. Wow.

Speed-King · 19 Aug 2013, 20:29 (Ref:3291840)

One thing seems clear - with just 6 GT500 and 8 GT300 cars this race wasn't a regular Super GT/JGTC round...

avvelenamento · 19 Aug 2013, 20:42 (Ref:3291847)

nowadays aero and top quality michelin-bridgestone make the difference. 2012 SRO bopped and michelin equipeed BES gt3 were able to run in competitive 2010-2011 GT1 time laps. Nothing can stop progress.

GT3.14 · 20 Aug 2013, 05:16 (Ref:3291938)

Team Taisan trying to get two cars to Le Mans next year!

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-20036.html

TF110 · 20 Aug 2013, 06:55 (Ref:3291949)

Quote:

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

nowadays aero and top quality michelin-bridgestone make the difference. 2012 SRO bopped and michelin equipeed BES gt3 were able to run in competitive 2010-2011 GT1 time laps. Nothing can stop progress.

Its interesting to see just how good their tires are. According to an old article from dsc, the MC12 Maserati gained 2.8 seconds at Vallelunga from switching to SuperGT rubber and having the wider rear wing. That was in 2006!

avvelenamento · 20 Aug 2013, 10:19 (Ref:3291984)

in 2004 or 2005 team goh was going to enter the MC12 in GT500, but they withdraw after suzuka pre-season test. The car was the fastest in straight, but was terribly slow in turns compared to the gt500 prototypes. Anyway GT cars like JLOC murcielago RG-1, high-downforce modified mclaren f1 gtr, aston dbr9 and ferrari-prodrive-nomad 550 GTS have never been competitive in GT500 class since GT500 cars became silhouette prototypes and not anymore an hybrid-fia gts-gt2 spec.

Slipknot · 20 Aug 2013, 19:09 (Ref:3292120)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crooky

Also intriguingly in the entered car list (http://www.racingsportscars.com/entr...-25-10888.html) is a "BMW V12 LM" although it never turned up disappointingly.

Perhaps one of these to keep the R8 honest?

The car listed as a no show was a V12 LM, not the V12 LMR, but it's predecessor. The R8 could have lied to it's face all day.

crooky · 20 Aug 2013, 22:45 (Ref:3292184)

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

The car listed as a no show was a V12 LM, not the V12 LMR, but it's predecessor. The R8 could have lied to it's face all day.

Ah the ugly 1998 model... Yeah the R8 is way better than that. Still would have been nice to see how it would have fared.

About the R8 though I had a quick look for some footage of the car on YouTube but couldn't find any. I'll keep looking.

CTD · 21 Aug 2013, 09:44 (Ref:3292330)

I wonder if it wasn't the Dome updated BMW V12LM:

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