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Jay · 6 Apr 2003, 19:25 (Ref:560388)

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Originally posted by Asp
At Road America last year (?), there was a riverlet and the race was red flagged so it could be sorted when it was clear it was causing problems. They should have done that today IMHO.

Quote, do you remember that? It was much much worse than the rivelet they had today, the entire track was submerged in an inch of water as I recall. Just driving through it in a straight line made guys spin.

I Think that was alright today, those things happen. But, the safety car was required each time to remove the cars and they should know better next time. Hate to think what would happened if Shumi had hit that truck.

**Asp** · 6 Apr 2003, 19:25 (Ref:560389)

It was more dangerous at Elkhart, I'll accept that - but any uneccessary risk to drivers - and to marshals who had to repeatedly get out the way to avoid another car coming in - is stupid. It may have slightly mucked TV times - but we can cope with that, if it means increased driver safety.

Lee Janotta · 6 Apr 2003, 19:25 (Ref:560390)

TeddyG, _that_ I can agree with, trying to dig a ditch to divert the water.

I gotta say, Mark Webber turns crashing into an art form.

Jay · 6 Apr 2003, 19:26 (Ref:560392)

Don't blame Alonso, it wasn't his fault. You try driving a Formula 1 car through a field of debris, then you can say he had a problem.

Lee Janotta · 6 Apr 2003, 19:28 (Ref:560399)

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Originally posted by EERO
Lee, I know you're a Fisi fan, so am I but your comments about Alonso are out of line.

I'm not so big a fan of Fisi actually, but cripes, the man deserved this win!

How am I out of line? Yellow flag means caution! Danger! Slow the hell down! Everyone else slowed down and made it safely past Webber's crash, but Alonso decided the flags didn't apply to him and didn't lift until it was too late!

Good lord! What if it hadn't been a tire, what if it had been Webber and a group of marshalls right there in the middle of the track! We'd likely have had a fatality at the pace Alonso came through that corner!

Jay · 6 Apr 2003, 19:30 (Ref:560406)

Like I said, you try driving a Formula 1 car through a field of debris, some of it still moving, then you can complain.

EERO · 6 Apr 2003, 19:32 (Ref:560416)

I think the words questioning his mental faculties and mentioning his nationality that you used are the part over the line.

**Asp** · 6 Apr 2003, 19:33 (Ref:560421)

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Originally posted by TeddyG
This is such a stupid way to end one of the best GP's I've ever seen...they could have restarted if they didn't spend so much time messing about...why did they have Alonso sitting on the track all that time?? He clearly wasn't seriously injured so get him off!!!

He clearly was injured - that's why Sid Watkins was called out. Just becuase he managed to climb out, doesn't mean he's OK - adrelaine to get out can see through pain.

And as regards driver safety, you can never spend time 'messing about'. If in doubt, be extra cautious - better safe than sorrow as they say.

Lee Janotta · 6 Apr 2003, 19:34 (Ref:560426)

Fisi and Kimi made it through safely because they obeyed the flags! Frentzen made it through the debris of _both_ cars, as did Trulli!

Watch the replay guys, Alonso was still going full tilt past the yellow flags!

As Rick Debruhl said... "SLOW DOWN!"

TeddyG · 6 Apr 2003, 19:36 (Ref:560431)

oh come on guys easy with the PC here..I'm sure Lee didn't mean it like that

Bottom line is Alonso WAS going way too fast. And they should have restarted this race!

Jay · 6 Apr 2003, 19:38 (Ref:560435)

It's very easy to say that sitting infront of a computer screen having never driven an F1 car.

TeddyG · 6 Apr 2003, 19:38 (Ref:560436)

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Originally posted by Asp

And as regards driver safety, you can never spend time 'messing about'. If in doubt, be extra cautious - better safe than sorrow as they say.

Wouldn't it be safer once known that he was not critically injured to get him off the track as quickly as possible? They should have gotten him out of the way...he was fine.

EERO · 6 Apr 2003, 19:38 (Ref:560437)

Lee, I agree that Alonso made an agressive mistake.

And Teddy, this is a chronic problem we have with certain posters and we ALL make an attempt here to keep things civil. All i ask is that people think before they press the "Submit" button.

Lee Janotta · 6 Apr 2003, 19:40 (Ref:560445)

The brake pedal's the one on the left, Jay... It's not something that's all too difficult to master.

TeddyG · 6 Apr 2003, 19:41 (Ref:560447)

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Originally posted by Jay
It's very easy to say that sitting infront of a computer screen having never driven an F1 car.

yeah I think u have made your point. Others made it through and he didn't??? Not saying it's entirely his fault maybe his team didn't radio him or something we don't know yet but it looks like he could have been more cautious coming around the corner there with yellows out.

Lee Janotta · 6 Apr 2003, 19:41 (Ref:560450)

Alright, well, thanks Teddy... No point in arguing this subject further, I've made my point.

Lee Janotta · 6 Apr 2003, 19:42 (Ref:560453)

TeddyG, _that_ I can agree with, trying to dig a ditch to divert the water.

I gotta say, Mark Webber turns crashing into an art form.

The doctors will be looking at Alonso's leg, but it's really his head that needs examining.

TeddyG · 6 Apr 2003, 19:43 (Ref:560457)

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Originally posted by EERO
Lee, I agree that Alonso made an agressive mistake.

And Teddy, this is a chronic problem we have with certain posters and we ALL make an attempt here to keep things civil. All i ask is that people think before they press the "Submit" button.

Yes that's true Eero but I mean sometimes I feel that this forum is a little too rigid with what u can and can't say...I mean we still need to have some way of expressing our emotions...otherwise it's just all out censorship!

TeddyG · 6 Apr 2003, 19:45 (Ref:560460)

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Originally posted by Lee Janotta
The brake pedal's the one on the left, Jay... It's not something that's all too difficult to master.

Good one Lee!

**Asp** · 6 Apr 2003, 19:45 (Ref:560461)

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Originally posted by TeddyG
Wouldn't it be safer once known that he was not critically injured to get him off the track as quickly as possible? They should have gotten him out of the way...he was fine.

It depends on the type of injury, and I won't pass judgement until we have the full facts. Perhaps they could have got him of the track - but red flag came out instantly after the smash because, I assume, of the debris strewn across the track.
He looked like he was limping, and perhaps he may have been unable to jump the barrier if it was a leg injury. He sat down there, and becuase of shock it's not really good to get him to move again. I'm not saying they couldn't have got him out of the way; but you have to work there and then, given the information presented by the driver, and if in any doubt don't move the driver for risk of aggrevating any further injury.

NiceGuyEddie · 6 Apr 2003, 19:46 (Ref:560464)

Alonso was poorly informed by his team. Both GF and KR were crawling passed the debris. Alonso clearly had just the yellow flags to go by, but yellow flags don't tell you that the track is full of obstacles. There just as well couldve been a car by the side of the road, no need to slow down on the fastest part of the track, just to be mindfull of it. The team should've made that call on the radio. They sure had plenty of time to do that.

Heebeegeetee · 6 Apr 2003, 19:46 (Ref:560467)

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Originally posted by Jay
Don't blame Alonso, it wasn't his fault. You try driving a Formula 1 car through a field of debris, then you can say he had a problem.

Well, I asked my mate Fiisi and he says he didn't find it hard.

No point in making a big issue of it, though. He made a mistake, he's young, he'll learn. I don't think he'll dissapoint us again like that. He's gonna be very exciting.

Matthopps · 6 Apr 2003, 19:47 (Ref:560468)

I was the right decision to stop the race - it was within the rules anyway-beyond three quarter distance so it wasn't necessary to restart the race, nor was it really worth it either, only 8 drivers left, had fisi's car stil caught fire, only 7 drivers left, if anyone else crashed after restarting they still would have scored at least 2 points anyway so why restarting? as if there had'nt been enough action/drama/accidents/potential danger for 1 grand prix!

steve nielsen · 6 Apr 2003, 19:55 (Ref:560496)

The Minardi fans can only think about what could have been, Jos was in 7th ahead of Giancarlo when he spun of...........

He just went through that puddle of water because he could see very litle as Kimi had just passed him..........

CleanTone · 6 Apr 2003, 19:55 (Ref:560497)

although we all need to spice up our relationship with 1, don't you agree that McLaren was the best car in that GP?

Go Fisi!!

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