2024 Season - News and Rumours

[Hawkwood]

Originally Posted by Richard C

I can imagine McLaren and Williams haven't followed suite only because no sponsor has met their rate card demands for team naming rights just yet. Ferrari doesn't do it out of pride. Mercedes and Aston Martin at least puts their name first. And even then isn't really "Aston Martin" F1 a badging effort and not really "Aston Martin" but rather Racing Point/Stroll F1? And even Alpine is a branding exercise within Renault as AMG is within Mercedes.

Richard

That Ferrari pride must be new, as they had Marlboro as part of the entrant name for a long time, and still had a sponsor as part of the entrant name as recently as 2021 - Mission Winnow, which was still just Philip Morris anyway.
The point being that Ferrari, as with all teams, will drop their 'pride' for a price.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Hawkwood

That Ferrari pride must be new, as they had Marlboro as part of the entrant name for a long time, and still had a sponsor as part of the entrant name as recently as 2021 - Mission Winnow, which was still just Philip Morris anyway.
The point being that Ferrari, as with all teams, will drop their 'pride' for a price.

Good point regarding Ferrari.

Richard

[MaxLL]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Why do you think that?

Because skill does not equal money

[MaxLL]

Originally Posted by Richard C

There are many factors to success in F1. Funding absolutely matters. It doesn't guarantee success (i.e. Toyota), but if you are behind on the funding side, you are handicapped against your peers and fighting uphill.

Richard

Funding is essential. But if you fund people who are not capable, they will not acquire skills.
And if a person has skills, even without funding he will show his skills. But also his market price will go up

[MaxLL]

Originally Posted by P38 in workshop

Look at Ferrari's results over the last forty years or so for an answer.

You mean Ferrari doesn't have enough money?

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by MaxLL

Funding is essential. But if you fund people who are not capable, they will not acquire skills.
And if a person has skills, even without funding he will show his skills. But also his market price will go up

Yes but the more financial resources you have, the better your ability to find and fund more capable people and to buy those people whose market price has gone up....

[P38 in workshop]

Originally Posted by MaxLL

You mean Ferrari doesn't have enough money?

No,I would suggest that they haven't used the considerable sums that flow into Maranello as well as other teams have used their less abundant income.It used to be quite clear that the Silverstone team that has had many names was exceptional at achieving results that were well out of step with their sponsorship level.The anomaly was the Schumacher era,but they were testing at their private test track for more than 350 days each year then,so it was a brute force development programme.Which they could afford.

[chillibowl]

And then there are the drivers who only acquired the necessary skills to compete at this level because they have money.

While money is not the only factor, imo it factors heavily because of the access it can buy.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Richard C

I like the motto (sometimes attributed to the golfer Gary Player)... "The harder I practice, the luckier I get."

In motorsports I think there is an equivalent... "The more money I have, the luckier I get."

In the past you could do more practice (testing) with more money, but obviously that is not allowed anymore.

This does not excuse Alpine F1 Team's refusal to invest in a $40m USD AVL Car-in-the-Loop simulator to allow Alpine-Renault to have the same virtual testing capability as Scuderia Ferrari, Red Bull Racing and Mercedes Grand Prix who all have one.

Pat Fry states this lack of ambition to win as part of his decision to leave Alpine.

[MaxLL]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Yes but the more financial resources you have, the better your ability to find and fund more capable people and to buy those people whose market price has gone up....

Yes, it is, I agree.

[MaxLL]

Originally Posted by P38 in workshop

No,I would suggest that they haven't used the considerable sums that flow into Maranello as well as other teams have used their less abundant income.It used to be quite clear that the Silverstone team that has had many names was exceptional at achieving results that were well out of step with their sponsorship level.The anomaly was the Schumacher era,but they were testing at their private test track for more than 350 days each year then,so it was a brute force development programme.Which they could afford.

Yeah, they're missing someone like Schumacher.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by MaxLL

Yeah, they're missing someone like Schumacher.

Yes, that it help, however it would really require the combination of Todt, Brawn, Rory Byrne as well as Schumacher who certainly had a very high work ethic.

[chillibowl]

indeed, and in the budget cap era, where i believe the top 3 team salaries plus the drivers salaries are excluded, if one has the funding they can afford to hire difference makers like Todt, Brawn, Bryne, Schumi or rather their modern day equivalents.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Yes, that it help, however it would really require the combination of Todt, Brawn, Rory Byrne as well as Schumacher who certainly had a very high work ethic.

...and 350 days of testing.....

[Sandgroper]

There you have it:

VCARB acronym

Visa Cash App RB

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/al...tity/10568655/

[Peter Mallett]

Reminiscent of Lola Mastercard.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Reminiscent of Lola Mastercard.

Only a little, this one will actually build a decent car

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Yes, that it help, however it would really require the combination of Todt, Brawn, Rory Byrne as well as Schumacher who certainly had a very high work ethic.

Ferrari deliberately got rid of Todt, Brawn and Schumacher as they were becoming more powerful than the Ferrari board, which was unacceptable to the Ferrari board.

Ironically, the Ferrari board was also keen to fire Todt for poor (rather than excessively good) performance in 1996:
https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/104...d-todt-ferrari

Byrne however did return to do some consulting work on the F1-75.

[Ferrari333SP]

Unreal they actually did it with the name. Wow. Utter garbage

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

There you have it:

VCARB acronym

Visa Cash App RB

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/al...tity/10568655/

VCARB, a Toro Rosso by any other name.

[S griffin]

Toro Rosso was a better name, this one will take some getting used to

[RED55]

What a poor team name choice that is ,although great distraction technic for people complaining about second teams . Personally couldnt care less because if there are four Red Bulls on the grid then that's at least 3 cars challenging Max

[S griffin]

I don’t think they are suddenly going to get better. Hopefully they’ll be other teams and drivers capable of beating Max

[veeten]

And in that point, it was Luca that was trying to keep him in that position, since it was him that hired Jean, along with Ross and Rory, to make Ferrari respected upon the grid, along with a 'few' championships to boot.

It was when di Montezemolo stepped down as chairman that the board would move to change everything, and the years of wandering and floundering that followed.

[veeten]

Of course they did. It's basically another example of teams choosing to "arrange the deck chairs" rather than having a real plan to be more competitive.

It has never been about having money, be it sampling or more than enough, it is where you put it and how it is to be used that attains results, ireguardless of the time involved. It is the difference between how a team headed and run by engineers, designers and mechanics working with drivers that have a little more than basic skills, and one run by executives, managers and middlemen working with subpar drivers only there to provide funding.