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Congrats Toyota. Great stints by Nakajima.
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That may well go down as the single most significant sportscar event since the start of PLM.
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A well deserved victory for Toyota, at home ! This sounds good for endurance.
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What a race!!!
I couldn't be happier for Toyota. Great to see a large crowd and they were treated to a classic. |
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Kaz is a revelation. He was rather sloppy in a F1 car, but LMP1 fits him like a glove, in Le Mans, he made a mistake and he owned up to that, by having good runs in Silverstone and this pole-to-flag win in Fuji.
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Really good stints for Kazuki, he drove his butt off and opened a gap that they really needed before their final stop.
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Amazing win Nakajima/Wurz/Lapierre, Kazuki career first WEC win and good LMP2 win Shinji Nakano and partners.
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We also can't forget that Rebellion (LMP1 privateers' cup) and Starworks (LMP2 teams' championship) won their titles this weekend, too. Only major titles up for grab seem to be GTE-Am teams title and WEC drivers title, the latter looks good for the #1 Audi going into China as long as they finish the race on the podium or the top 5 in class.
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Who would've thunk it?
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Rapt to see Kaz so happy after Toyota's win and at home too, with all the fans there to will Toyota home to win with the board watching. Hopefully this win will unleash the purse strings a bit more. And a double win for Toyota with Rebellion wrapping up the LMP1 privateers championship beating the two Hondas and Oak to the title. One wonders if Honda have been looking on over the weekend at the amount of attention given to Toyota and whether they want a piece of the action. Hopefully so Now all Im waiting for is to hear why Larbre have been excluded again (no doubt I'll hear Jack Leconte's angry voice from here in Australia ![]() |
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I'll hear Leconte losing his s*** before you Rich! (QLD woop woop :P )
Pretty much everyone I wanted to win won here so pretty rapt overall, congrats to all the winners!* *Until Larbre get's DQ'd again..... |
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I think Pluto's gonna hear this one....
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Well , Toyota really blew their trumpet at this one , delighted for them .
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Finished watching the race. A thoroughly enjoyable six hours.
I genuinely don't know what more TTE can do to get a reasonable budget signed off for next year. Surely not even the most frustratingly conservative Japanese approach will let this one go! 2 cars (WEC) 3 (Le Mans) is a must. Kaz is an absolute star. Wurz is driving as well as ever. Nico will not be happy with his showing but plenty more to come from all. |
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Nice to see Nakajima & Toyota get the home win!
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Big congratulations to Toyota and especially Nakajima. Unfortunately I was unable to watch the race.
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You can see that Lotterer slowed down a bit during his second stint on the same tyres.
Nakajima had the big advantage that he only had to do 44 laps on his last set of tyres.
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Toyota definitely chose to stay with the right strategy. During the broadcast the RLM guys were questioning whether it would work. Turned out it did. They almost threw it away with the big mess up in traffic by Lapierre, and then on top of it his botched overtake on the #1 Audi. That really set them back, but they did come back, with a little help from the mess ups with the Audi's and the penalty.
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A little help from Audi's mess ups and penalty?! Toyota won the race because of Treluyer collision and the resulting penalty.
Fässler lost 37 seconds during the stop and go penalty: 5 seconds for the in lap (lap 145) and 32 seconds for the out lap (lap 146). The difference at the finish was 11.223 seconds. Audi #1 was the fastest car on track, if you look at the average lap time during the complete race (excluding safety car laps, in laps and out laps):
According to http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...Stops_Race.PDF Toyota spent 7:52 minutes in the pits:
Audi can do a full service stop (fuel + tyres + driver) in 1:21 minutes and a fuel stop in 56 seconds. Under normal circumstances, Audi #1 would have spent 7:41 minutes in the pits (assuming 5 full service stops + 1 tyre stop). So theoretically they would have another 11 seconds in the pits. Last edited by gwyllion; 16 Oct 2012 at 10:33. Reason: correct URL |
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The scenario above assumes that Audi would have done their somewhat unconventional strategy of ending with a double stint by Lotterer (and Fässler only doing one single stint).
What could/would have happened if Audi would have completed the race with 7 single stints (i.e., 2 x Lotterer, 2 x Tréluyer, 2 x Fässler, 1 x Lotterer)? If you exclude that final stint of Lotterer, which was slower because of tyre wear, the average lap time of Audi #1 was 1:29.924. With a single stint strategy, Audi #1 would have been 0.162 seconds faster per lap than Toyota. Over the complete race distance (233 laps) that means 37.7 seconds. Evidently Audi #1 would need to spend more time in the pits with this strategy. 6 full service stops take 8:06 minutes. So Toyota would gain 8 seconds in the pits. In the first scenario (double stint at the end) Audi #1 would have won by around 25 seconds. In the second scenario (single stints) Audi #1 would have won by around 30 seconds. |
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Excellent analysis, thank you gwyllion!
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Incredible race, have now managed to watch all 6 hours. And JAG_, you're right, the potential significance of this race should not be underestimated.
Delighted Toyota were able to take advantage of that little bit of luck (stop/go) to overcome the #1....as Graham said on air, it was truly a fairytale scenario. And Kaz Nakajima, what a hero!!!!! ![]() And, HUGE congratulations to everyone at Rebellion....I'm choked to see their rise and rise and just so delighted for Bart....as pointed out in the commentary, Hugh would be so PROUD OF what BART has achieved. |
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Predictably Ullrich isn't happy with the stop-and-go decision. I'd say it was pretty clear-cut to be honest. It's true the slo-mo replays did Ben no favours at all in terms of how bad it looked.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103463 All sorts of variables at play as the safety car was a huge stroke of luck for them. |
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