WEC Race 2016 FIA WEC 6 Hours of Circuit of the Americas aka Lone Star Le Mans - Page 10

bobec · 18 Sep 2016, 03:30 (Ref:3673512)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Audi's tank wasn't touched. The aco only changed Toyota's tank size. They had a legit argument that the diesel didn't rely on air restrictors as much as Toyota. So the change to Audi didn't effect them on speed.

Yes, you are correct. And it obviously had an effect on relative stint length, not speed

Maelochs · 18 Sep 2016, 03:31 (Ref:3673513)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Sarrazin again not going to close up on the car in front, should have put in Conway.

Same thought I had.

Not going to complain though ... for a change

... because the Toyota is there at the end and as quick as the others .... not there just by attrition.

Maelochs · 18 Sep 2016, 03:33 (Ref:3673515)

Hate to say it but Di Grassi doesn't have enough of an edge, and Sarrazin is going backwards.

J Jay · 18 Sep 2016, 03:35 (Ref:3673518)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Hate to say it but Di Grassi doesn't have enough of an edge, and Sarrazin is going backwards.

I think it's Di Grassi that's going backwards (to be expected on such old tyres), when I've looked at the times Sarrazin has been more or less matching Bernhard.

TF110 · 18 Sep 2016, 03:36 (Ref:3673519)

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Originally Posted by bobec

Yes, you are correct. And it obviously had an effect on relative stint length, not speed

Audi burned more diesel, went faster but dropped their stint length. Either formula is going to have issues.

bentley speed 8 · 18 Sep 2016, 03:37 (Ref:3673520)

Of course the race is not complete without trouble for the Manor car

TzeiTzei · 18 Sep 2016, 03:39 (Ref:3673524)

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Originally Posted by TF110

They shouldn't. Audi must not be as efficient as they should be or something is wrong with the aco's math.

How did you come to conclusion? Is it in the regs?

TF110 · 18 Sep 2016, 03:50 (Ref:3673531)

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Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

How did you come to conclusion? Is it in the regs?

ACO gave Audi a tiny boost after LM, so that's either them admitting they got the adjustments off, or the Audi isn't as efficient (relative) to the competition.

Ephaeton · 18 Sep 2016, 03:56 (Ref:3673535)

A second diesel entry would probably fix that...

bentley speed 8 · 18 Sep 2016, 03:58 (Ref:3673536)

Have to say it's the worst race of the season. Not much track action today.

J Jay · 18 Sep 2016, 03:59 (Ref:3673537)

#7 in the pits. Last lap splash and dash.

TF110 · 18 Sep 2016, 04:00 (Ref:3673538)

Not enough from Sarrazin and Toyota to get 2nd. Good to at least get a podium though.

J Jay · 18 Sep 2016, 04:02 (Ref:3673539)

Well done Porsche, but that music needs to stop.

Ephaeton · 18 Sep 2016, 04:02 (Ref:3673540)

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Originally Posted by bentley speed 8

Have to say it's the worst race of the season. Not much track action today.

yup, somewhat; life doesn't consist of all highlights though

TF110 · 18 Sep 2016, 04:04 (Ref:3673542)

Something up with the #1?

J Jay · 18 Sep 2016, 04:05 (Ref:3673544)

They probably want to make sure the #1 has enough fuel left in the tank. I'm guessing it was almost dry.

Seriously, that music...

TF110 · 18 Sep 2016, 04:12 (Ref:3673548)

So what's the points battle looking like now? #6 made up some ground, but not much. #1 is coming up quick as well.

bavila · 18 Sep 2016, 08:39 (Ref:3673597)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Explain to me why Audi always lose out on pit stops on range. If not for the FCY falling the way it did, things would've been fine. Or if the #7 Audi was able to go a few laps further. The ACO have known about this from day one, but refuse to do anything about it.

Either give Audi and Porsche equal range, close pit road under yellow, or make Fretias less trigger happy on the FCY button.

About done with watching this series. Up until then, Audi had done everything right. I wouldn't blame then for pulling out of the WEC.

Chernaudi, I didn't hear you complaining when Audi was the only LMP1 winner EVERY TIME OUT a few years ago. You know as well as everyone else that rules will change and it will benefit some and not benefit others. In the end, Audi's problems come from Audi themselves. Sorry you can't find anything else in this series to enjoy.

chernaudi · 18 Sep 2016, 09:59 (Ref:3673618)

It's post like that which really make me not enjoy posting on forums anymore, period.

Akrapovic · 18 Sep 2016, 14:54 (Ref:3673689)

I understand the reason the Audi makes less on fuel. They can turn the power down for fuel saving if they want. That's fine, and it's no different to the Toyota and Porsche being a lap apart either. What is a very clear problem is that the Audi takes 6 seconds longer to put significantly less fuel in a car than the petrol cars. The range isn't really an issue, it's the fuel time. 6 seconds per stop means 36 seconds - well over the gap. The Audi fuel flow has to be slower since there is less fuel going into the car, but it should be equal, not slower.

I'm also a bit bored of the FCYs deciding races. The whole point in the FCY was to stop safety cars ruining the leaders races. So now instead of a gap being neutralised, you can actually have the gap reversed and 50 seconds in front goes to 50 seconds behind. We do have a Slow Zone rule, but they don't see to use them anymore.

On the plus side, thank god we finally seen some speed from Toyota. That was nice to see!

schmidder · 18 Sep 2016, 14:54 (Ref:3673690)

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Originally Posted by bavila

Chernaudi, I didn't hear you complaining when Audi was the only LMP1 winner EVERY TIME OUT a few years ago. You know as well as everyone else that rules will change and it will benefit some and not benefit others. In the end, Audi's problems come from Audi themselves. Sorry you can't find anything else in this series to enjoy.

Can't agree that audi's problem (of losing the race) yesterday was their fault. The timing of the fcy was really unfortunate for them and I think most of us would agree that we don't like to see race victories determined by something like that. Chernaudi is correct in saying audi did everything right up to that point...I think the WEC should look at some ideas to avoid it happening again like closing the pits or a hold time before re-entry or something..

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Akrapovic · 18 Sep 2016, 15:05 (Ref:3673695)

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Originally Posted by schmidder

Can't agree that audi's problem (of losing the race) yesterday was their fault. The timing of the fcy was really unfortunate for them and I think most of us would agree that we don't like to see race victories determined by something like that. Chernaudi is correct in saying audi did everything right up to that point...I think the WEC should look at some ideas to avoid it happening again like closing the pits or a hold time before re-entry or something..

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They already have the slow zone system, which would minimize the effect.

schmidder · 18 Sep 2016, 15:11 (Ref:3673696)

It's not a slow zone, the entire track is fcy..and it gives an advantage to a team that pits during this time (compared to one that did so under green) as the rest of the field is crawling around at 35 mph or whatever the caution speed is....

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Akrapovic · 18 Sep 2016, 15:16 (Ref:3673699)

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Originally Posted by schmidder

It's not a slow zone, the entire track is fcy..and it gives an advantage to a team that pits during this time (compared to one that did so under green) as the rest of the field is crawling around at 35 mph or whatever the caution speed is....

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Yes I know, and I agree with you. They have been using FCYs. What I'm saying is they DO have the slow zone regulations, which would minimise this problem. But they are choosing not to use this set of rules, and nobody knows why.

schmidder · 18 Sep 2016, 15:24 (Ref:3673703)

Gotcha....saw your post on the wec thread, I see you and I agree on this..

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