[WEC] Porsche GTP / Hypercar: factory and customer

[Christian Mogami]

Sounds like it is shifting at around 6000 rpm but with the new high CR,DI ,Turbo
petrol engine with no boost limit,you pretty much have a diesel engine with a little higher redline.

The great engine sounds will be history.

[avvelenamento]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Sounds like it is shifting at around 6000 rpm but with the new high CR,DI ,Turbo
petrol engine with no boost limit,you pretty much have a diesel engine with a little higher redline.

let's speculate a while about power and torque. I think that will be 600-650Nm @3000-3500rpm with a final power of less than 500hp @ 6000-7000rpm. Combined torque should be over 1000Nm anyway.

[Eryk03]

Petrol engines make more sense because Audi make diesel engines uncompetitive.
In the end it came to be that petrol P1 makes more laps on tank than diesel.

[avvelenamento]

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of the sentence, but audi making uncompetitive diesel engine is very unlikely. Toyota would be happy if this was true. About fuel miliage, in 2012 audi r18 could do 12 laps at le mans like almost all other petrol lmp1. This year, audi had to consume more diesel to have a more powerfull engine, so 10 laps per stint.

[Thaw Daggerslash]

I have to say, I'm very impressed with Porsche in many ways already.

In fact, I'm almost inclined to give them the title of favourite for next year.

That seems pretty ludicrous right now, particularly as it'll be their first year back, but the fact they've been testing the new car for quite a while, well before Audi and Toyota have, makes me think they'll be very competitive from the word go in the WEC next year. Unlike Toyota, expense doesn't seem to be (as much as) an issue.

Plus it is clear Porsche won't be at Le Mans to make up the numbers. Their whole promotion for this new project has been based on previous success, and surely, it'll be bad for them if they aren't in contention for the win in their first year.

Sure, it'll be difficult, but it is just an inkling I have. If I was Audi and Toyota, I'd be pretty worried.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of the sentence, but audi making uncompetitive diesel engine is very unlikely. Toyota would be happy if this was true. About fuel miliage, in 2012 audi r18 could do 12 laps at le mans like almost all other petrol lmp1. This year, audi had to consume more diesel to have a more powerfull engine, so 10 laps per stint.

I'm assuming that Eryk meant that there's no point running a diesel because Audi are too good at diesels...... If he didn't mean that, I don't understand either!

[avvelenamento]

If the meant something like:
Petrol engines make more sense because Audi make other diesel engines uncompetitive.

Reasonable, but not always true as well. V12 and V8 turbo diesel Peugeot were more powerfull than V12, V10 and V6 turbo diesel Audi.

[Aysedasi]

Yep, maybe so.....

[CyberMotor]

Originally Posted by Simmi

Petrol Hybrid (Porsche) vs Diesel (Audi). That's what endurancesportscar reckon. It would be fantastic.

And with these two heavy-weights on opposite sides of the petrol/diesel BOP fence, one must think that a solution to the parity issue will be worked out.

[TF110]

Sounds quiet, hopefully Toyota (and Rebellion) has the larger V8 next year so we get some 'rumble' from them if there is no 'screamers' on the grid

[deggis]

Originally Posted by CyberMotor

And with these two heavy-weights on opposite sides of the petrol/diesel BOP fence, one must think that a solution to the parity issue will be worked out.

When looking at the 2014 regs, obviously it has been "worked out". But the post you quoted is from the 1st page of this thread...

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by TF110

Sounds quiet, hopefully Toyota (and Rebellion) has the larger V8 next year so we get some 'rumble' from them if there is no 'screamers' on the grid

I thought Rebellion had confirmed they were continuing with the 3.4l V8.

[jsTrecu]

I'm quite surprised with the sound... Let's hope it's just some sort of silencer.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Mike E

I thought Rebellion had confirmed they were continuing with the 3.4l V8.

Pretty much bit still somehow leaving the door open: ...the REBELLION R-ONE will be powered by a TOYOTA engine. Final specification of the updated TOYOTA RV8KLM engine, which will power the REBELLION R-ONE will be confirmed at a later date.

[GTfour]

Any which way things are going to be for 2014, we'll have a very intense battle between 3 of the worlds biggest manufacturers going head to head, all carrying in the proximity of 850 bhp, going like the provurbial lightningbolt.

I do hope though, that the Porsches will be sounding like Jaguars CX-75: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7-TDu3i6oQ

[Articus]

That sounds alot like a short shifted Porsche RS Spyder from the Jag onboards.

[Lagunaseca_4life]

I swear it almost sounds Identical to L5/esm's p2 hpd.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Mike E

I thought Rebellion had confirmed they were continuing with the 3.4l V8.

To add to what Deggis said, in another interview Hayden alluded to leaning toward a larger displacement lower revving engine.

[Dario911]

Originally Posted by Thaw Daggerslash

I have to say, I'm very impressed with Porsche in many ways already.

In fact, I'm almost inclined to give them the title of favourite for next year.

That seems pretty ludicrous right now, particularly as it'll be their first year back, but the fact they've been testing the new car for quite a while, well before Audi and Toyota have, makes me think they'll be very competitive from the word go in the WEC next year. Unlike Toyota, expense doesn't seem to be (as much as) an issue.

Plus it is clear Porsche won't be at Le Mans to make up the numbers. Their whole promotion for this new project has been based on previous success, and surely, it'll be bad for them if they aren't in contention for the win in their first year.

Sure, it'll be difficult, but it is just an inkling I have. If I was Audi and Toyota, I'd be pretty worried.

Dr. Ullrich has declared, interviewed by the magazine Le Mans Racing (issue #77), Porsche will be the huge and tough challenge for Audi. Mr. Audi is not the man whot talks just to talk, and this means he knows Porsche is working to a competitive project. Anyway, he has admitted there isn't any know-how swapping between Porsche and Audi, and each of them is working in the maximum secret.
Audi is advantaged due to its recent, winning and long experience in LMP1, but Porsche is advantaged due to the longer time they're working on the new car.
In 2014 rules will be new for all, and having a very well proven car, could be a real step forward in confront of the opponents.
We don't know anything about the engine Porsche will fit in the car (only speculations), but engine is tested since mid-2012!
In 2012 Audi and Toyota were both working full-time on their R18 and TS-030, while Porsche was full-time working on its 2014 spec LMP1.
So, Porsche will be a serious contender in 2014, and will not be there just to fill the grid.
If Porsche had debuted with the actual rules, in 2014, they would have been disadvantaged against Audi and Toyota experience. With 2014 new rules, differences will be attenuate.

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by Dario911

Dr. Ullrich has declared, interviewed by the magazine Le Mans Racing (issue #77), Porsche will be the huge and tough challenge for Audi. Mr. Audi is not the man whot talks just to talk, and this means he knows Porsche is working to a competitive project. Anyway, he has admitted there isn't any know-how swapping between Porsche and Audi, and each of them is working in the maximum secret.
Audi is advantaged due to its recent, winning and long experience in LMP1, but Porsche is advantaged due to the longer time they're working on the new car.
In 2014 rules will be new for all, and having a very well proven car, could be a real step forward in confront of the opponents.
We don't know anything about the engine Porsche will fit in the car (only speculations), but engine is tested since mid-2012!
In 2012 Audi and Toyota were both working full-time on their R18 and TS-030, while Porsche was full-time working on its 2014 spec LMP1.
So, Porsche will be a serious contender in 2014, and will not be there just to fill the grid.
If Porsche had debuted with the actual rules, in 2014, they would have been disadvantaged against Audi and Toyota experience. With 2014 new rules, differences will be attenuate.

You can be sure that Audi have been working on their 2014-spec engine+hybrid configuration for some time also. If I recall correctly, the V6 TDI engine was track-tested well before 2011 in an R8 test mule. Who knows what has been track-tested by Audi in all secrecy ? Who knows what was really under the #4 Audi that was run by Audi during the LM Test Day ?

Without any doubt, Porsche are well on track and will be a strong contender next year. Everything bodes well for a great 2014 season. I am looking forward to it.

[Spyderman]

It would be a grave mistake indeed for Porsche to underestimate the opposition. Be it Audi or Toyota. This is a mistake that I doubt Porsche will make.

[Dario911]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

It would be a grave mistake indeed for Porsche to underestimate the opposition. Be it Audi or Toyota. This is a mistake that I doubt Porsche will make.

I don't think Porsche has underestimated Audi and Toyota! Only a mad may do this... and Porsche is all but a mad! But Porsche has proven his skill in LMP with RS Spyder program... The only thing for sure, is the show we'll see in 2014.

[avvelenamento]

Audi and Porsche more or less secretly are already developing and testing their 2014 cars, maybe porsche is a bit little ahead because spent last 12 months focusing only on the 2014 car, while audi had to develope r18 for 2013 season. But is just a little advantage compared to 10 and more years of audi's know how. I fear that toyota is still behind with the development of the 2014 car and if TMG will keep on receiving a low-cost budget, will be hard for them to fight against no more one but two great competitors.

[The Badger]

Apart from Dumas-Bernhard-Jani ..... the following drivers being looked at for remaining seats are

Watts-Martin-Pla-Pilet-Makowiecki-Bourdais-Lieb-Vernay-Conway-Stanaway-Heidfeld .

They only need 1 more driver for WEC ..... but who for Le Mans ?

Wonder if Bourdais has a clash with Indycar for Le Mans , too early to tell .

I would like to se from the following : Lieb-Stanaway-Bourdais .

[CTD]

Where do you have those names from Badger?