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They still cost a fair chunk to run and maintain. Look how Super Tourers have only lately become remotely affordable for privateer/clubmen racers. I can think of just the one BTC-spec car running these days and that doesnt have the original engine and gearbox. N/A S2000 cars can be raced in a few championships but they have always been silly money, hence why NGTC was created.
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I thought that the BTCC regularly held races at Spa?
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Did this can of worms need opened? No. And that's coming from a Scottish resident.
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Perhaps holding the Knockhill tound in June or July would be better, as hotels wouldn't be under such demand, and charging inflated prices because of teh Edingboro festival.
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I personally would like to see the Brands Indy round moved to more of a summer slot. Brands Indy is probably the best spectator experience you can get, yet its positioned right at the start of the season, when the weather is usually still very cold and miserable. Moving it to mid season would be so much more preferred. You could stick Silverstone or Rockingham as the first round(s), two events which have large, (free) grandstands to fill up.
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if they get an additional track to race at in future years, surely the simple solution is to get rid of one of the Brands hatch rounds or add an 11th round to the series.
Personally i like the fact that Knockhill is at the time of the edinburgh festival as it means i can make one trip and do both things which i did last year and will be doing again this year. |
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I'm not from the UK so I probably am missing a point the locals realise but why would it be cheaper for teams to go to Spa instead of Knockhill?
I've never really understood why teams find it hard to make the trek north to a track in the same country. Here in Oz we have v8 races in every corner of the country which quite a lot bigger then the UK and no one complains. Could someone please expand on why teams miss Knockhill? |
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Most teams are based in the south of the country, so a trip to dover/folkestone, the short trip across the water and the relatively short trip the otherside to spa/zolder is actually cheaper and easier to do i believe.
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But then again, you know from the start that Knockhill will be on the calendar. So you just calculate the costs into your budgets?
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Using Silverstone as the base; Spa Drive via E40 · 405 mi 6 h 40 min Knockhill Drive via M6 · 379 mi 5 h 58 min And Ferries/Eurotunnel isn't cheap for the trucks and other vehicles for each team.... Not to mention getting the Dunlop and TOCA kit over there. From what I understand only WSR, AMD and Motorbase further a lot further south than Silverstone anyway. |
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I just don't understand how difficult it is for a team to load the truck up and point it north as opposed to jumping on a ferry or whatnot and crossing the seas. If you test overseas before the season starts and then say you can't afford to go to Knockhill which is in the same country mind you then you don't have any excuse as far as I'm concerned. |
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But it's not just the main series, it's the support series that I made my initial observations about. Perhaps suggesting Spa for a test was a bit much, but the point remains year on year the support races have smaller grids at Knockhill than other venues.
The new licence thing will ensure a big grid of TCs, perhaps TOCA need to set minimum grid levels to get on their package. Given Knockhill and Brands Indy have a max capacity of 32, the min grids should be 15 or 16. |
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Difficult to force people to race. Perhaps the answer is to not have a "package" at all - let each existing series do its own thing and invite support races from successful series around the clubs for one or two off appearances.
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AFAIW TOCA don't run the supports anyway...
Clio cup was SRO, but now BARC FF is BRSCC and Ginetta is Ginetta. |
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Even the Scottish posters here would have to acknowledge that Spa is a better circuit than Knockhill... but in terms of the BTCC, personally I'd like to have both on the calendar. If we had to sacrifice something, then I'd opt for the Brands Indy round.
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I'd sacrifice the grand prix over the indy. I'm not a fan of the grand prix, mainly because it takes away one of the few overtaking opportunities at clearways.
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