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Agreed - another street circuit - I'm not a great fan of street circuits - is there a street circuit anywhere that has what could be described as "a great corner"? Not a famous corner (Monaco has plenty of those) but a great one (Monaco has none of those). Street circuits are all a bit "samey" in character and aren't a patch on a proper circuit.
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I do wonder how much we need another American street circuit. We’ll see what happens. There are some great street circuits already out there. Monaco, Pau, Long Beach and Macau to name but 4. They have plenty of good corners, with them being close to the wall adding to the challenge. And I can see why some aren’t keen on street circuits, but if every circuit was purpose built, it wouldn’t be the same. We need street circuits for a bit of variety, after all there are plenty of purpose built circuits that are worse
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More thought has to be given to how the car design has made street courses with their narrower roads and more confined spaces not suitable for the modern F1 car.
Saudi will be an interesting test of what a modern street circuit could be with some very fast looking corners, where as Miami doesnt look the least bit interesting imo. Its there for the tourists which is fine of course but popualrity or going to desriable tourist places comes with its own set of drawbacks. |
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Watching this weekend's race - I did wonder if there is merit in making the cars smaller.
Not only for street courses, but in general. If the cars are smaller (relative to the track) would it open up more variety in both potential overtaking spots and alternative lines, as well as permitting more 2/3 abreast potential? A lot is made of the length of current F1 cars, but has the width gone too far? |
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Let’s see if it actually happens, still a long way to go
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but i agree with having similar feelings while watching yesterday. Imola, because of the narrowness, definitely had some of that 'too small for modern F1' feel to it...but if it was dry i feel like Russell would have been able to pull of his move??? anyways, i should add that im not against street races all together and do like the variety some of them bring but it just feels like FOM is pushing them as cheaper more accessible option and that comes at the cost of quality races. |
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I think on a really really narrow track, that narrow cars may help, but the problem is not the car or track width. I think the problem is the width of the clean racing line which will always mirror the size of the car (wide or narrow). Off line you have a combination of lack of rubbered surface, rolled up rubber marbles or in wet/dry conditions like this past weekend, a high grip dry line that is the width of the car and low grip damp surface that is less than ideal when you are trying races side by side. Lewis having an off when going off line to pass Russell is a perfect example. The grip just wasn't there off line. And the line was the width of the cars. Seeing multiple cars running side by wide is a function of size of the available racing line. You see it frequently enough on long straights in which grip levels is less of an issue. On the curves however there very much is an ideal line that is likely to produce the best result for whoever is in it and those who are not will struggle. Also, this ideal line will "track out" from the apex to the outside end of the track (or beyond given the proclivity for drivers to find extra speed by pushing/exceeding track limits). If you expect cars to be side by side, where exactly will these cars be when the lead car is occupying the racing line which spans the circuit from inside to outside edge? Short of regulations that say you must give a cars width, (and that doesn't apply everywhere I think) there are only a few places on tracks you can realistically run multiple cars wide regardless of the car width. I think this weekend and the clarity of the narrow dry line and off line damp part of the track really illustrates my point. With Lewis' sliding off is again, the perfect example. (note... this topic more for the "how to fix F1" thread. ) Richard |
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The Hard Rock Stadium is 8 miles / 13 km west of the coast.
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i dont want to be the safety card guy here and i feel like i am about to though but should the consequences of a mistake be anything more then a loss of track position and time? surely it shouldn't be the risk of physical injury. but again im not coming from a place of saying get rid of anything dangerous, i just think that F1 has outgrown some of these tracks and some of these new proposed street venues offer more in terms of tourist amenities then they do in actual race potential. Saudi, which looks like it will be high speed with lots of barriers, may or may not work but imo there should be greater concern that FOM is ignoring the danger just for a payday. |
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I knew we had looked at miami previously in this thread....
https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...postcount=2162 Looks to be almost the same layout, with section around the on-off ramps that I highlighted having a slight change but still it looks very awkward . I wasn't far off with the 3.5 mile (5.6km) suggestion. the Autosport article quotes 5.41 km which is 3.38 miles |
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Japanese Grand Prix to remain at Suzuka until 2024
'Formula 1 has announced the Japanese Grand Prix will remain at Suzuka until the end of the 2024 season. The figure-of-eight track first staged an F1 race in 1987 and has decided the drivers' championship on 11 occasions. F1 chief executive Stefano Domenicali said the three-year extension shows a "long-term commitment to growing the sport in Asia". This year's race is due to be held on 10 October after the 2020 grand prix was cancelled because of Covid-19.' |
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hope it can happen this year and October is still a long way off...
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Just watched Indy car from St Pete. Why don't F1 go there?
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Saint Petersburg F1 race “is going to be mega” – Kvyat
The Igora Drive circuit near Saint Petersburg has been tipped to take over from Sochi Autodrom as the home of the Russian Grand Prix. FIA licenses Igora Drive racing track near St. Petersburg to host F1 Grands Prix The International Automobile Federation (FIA) has issued a license for the Igora Drive circuit outside the country’s second largest city of St. Petersburg, acknowledging the track as suitable for hosting Formula One races, the press service of Igora Drive said in a statement on Wednesday. |
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