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I noticed all the agricultural companies in TC, which is different. You don't see many agricultural companies in other parts of the world get involved with motorsport as a sponsor. Of course agriculture I know is a big part of the economy in Argentina so maybe that is part of it. 10 years ago TC2000 seemed to have quite a few factory sponsored teams but that seems to have gone away. It's interesting they are trying the SUV thing going forward. So I guess to get into the main TC series you have to have a 100 races in their lesser series like TC Pista? |
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TN had a "rough patch" when was broadcasted alongside the Top Race by Carburando, being seen as the side dish, after some boradcasting divorces TN followed TC to the TV pública and got really better coverage and reach, with a lot of big name drivers entering (and as of now, dominating) while TR is struggling
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There aré some small problems with this as some drivers like Chapur, a National Champion (TN), Is still in TC pista, doing really well but not having the pass and a lot of TC2000, the other top series having to go to the Mouras and Pista mouras, which Is seen as a downgrade for the likes of Llaver All in all the ACTC Is its own racing ecosystem, which helps and forms drivers from really young ages and get them to really top level but Is kinda separated from the other series and that brings some troubles and struggles with them Last edited by TuteZaek; 31 Oct 2022 at 16:31. |
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Thanks for these insights.
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Some rumors I heard last weekend:
*Canapino to TC Pick Up. *Ardusso and Pernia could go to the TC Pick Up too. *Toyota would be only in the TC and TC Pick Up. If all this happens, the TC 2000 would be complicated. *Toyota could withdraw from Stock Car Brazil too, will Rossi go to TC Pick Up? |
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1 Nov 2022, 13:07 (Ref:4132319) | #258 | ||
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Werner-Rossi team on the TCPK? That could be interesting, also don't forget Santero (That was really silent on the issue yesterday on UV) In his case, mi guess is if any of the TGR guys go to TCPK, Werner is out of the TGR Hilux, seeing that the TGR driver roster is being reduced and he is the least integrated one on the whole ecosystem (only did TCPK, while everyone else participated in other TGR sanctioned activities) Ardusso would be out of the Honda team? (The only one that seem commited to 2023) Pernia will not defend his championship? None of this is good news for TC2000 Then of course is the issue of Barrio with a posible Camry in TCM built by JP Carrera to start his ACTC ladder. And finally the future of Montenegro (who together with Barrio and Fritzler who is already on the ACTC side, are spearheading the new generation ), who is looking overseas and Llaver, who commited almost his whole carreer to TC2000 and now is without a drive. Things turned out really grimm. |
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With a second tier Pickup next season i can't see how either Tc2000 or Toprace can survive unless they merge, maybe a weekend of TC 2000, TRV8 and a shared junior series.
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As of now TR Is isolated from ACTC, only competing with TN (they already lost a lot of drivers with them tho)
TC2000 and the TCPK AND more importantly the ACTC Feeder series had competing schedules till now, and thas were the TC2000 problems lies, specially when involves drivers outside the ACTC umbrella who have prospects of driving on the agurably most important series on the country |
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At least that is what my basic spanish and closed captioning on YT told me TC2000 seemed to have a lot of manufacturers 10 years ago but it aint looking good now. |
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In a way yes, in terms of engines in the Mouras and Pista Mouras they're using the old pushroded I6 that the TC used till 2015 (that they still aré being made). As of chassis, they are allowed to use the older gen, but they're transitioning to the newer Jakos (from the Dole team, father of both Marcos and Alex Jakos, the drivers) buiilt ones. TC Pista Is basically a restricted TC with diferent BoP adjustments. This comonality is designed so a driver could go from TC Pista Mouras to the TC using the same chasis (provided they ran a Jakos one on the lower ones) The Pick-Ups aré built on a " longer" Torino chasis (which seems the most adaptable of the current 4) and use a rev restricted "multivalvulas" . This means that TC pista or TC drivers could use their engine on both series, and so did Werner last year, who tested his TC engine on the trucks races. |
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Mismanagement Is hell of a drug, isn't? About the economics thing...if you race profesionally (and your surname is Canapino)... It's and always has been a rich boy (or a well off at least) sport. Wanna know about the agricultural conections? A lot of the drivers came fron agro-adjacent families |
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2 Nov 2022, 13:39 (Ref:4132436) | #266 | ||
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TC at San Nicolás comedy highlights by Satrasca
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Pablo Peón was the TC2000 president from 2002 to 2015.
He had some radical ideas: tuner-style cars, spec engines, V8 engines, street races, night races, stadium races, foreign races, oval races, two-driver races, etc. Some were a success, some were a failure, some were aborted. The TC2000 had a peak in 2010-2011 with 7 factory teams and over 20 factory drivers. When Peón left, there were 5 factory teams. During the Abrazian era, factory support continued, but complaints continued with the unreliable V8 engines. The Oreca turbo engines debuted in 2019 under Edgardo Fernández, which were more reliable but also more silent. The pandemic hit them hard. |
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2 Nov 2022, 14:24 (Ref:4132441) | #268 | |
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Finally managed to watch the TN races at Trelew. Class 2 and 3 had both great racing.
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This weekend TN has it's La Carrera de Los 200 Pilotos event.
Agustin Canapino joins Manuel Mallo at the M3 Sport Race team. I assumed it was an endurance race like the 200 km race of TC2000 but according the schedule the regular and invited drivers race seperate races. The invited drivers race just for glory, not for points? |
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2 Nov 2022, 16:41 (Ref:4132465) | #270 | |
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For points that go to the main driver... so kinda.
An interesting proposition given how close the championship is |
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Did you see any TN Race? it'll become a race of survival, maybe they end with 4 cars and none of them unscathered
Jokes aside, id guess the fuel system isn't prepared for a mid-race refuel and modifying it wasnt seen as feasible given the times. Also, is a freaking huge field, if you took the numbers, the usual TN shenanigans and add pilots unfamiliar with the racing "etiquette" of the series and the cars themselves... yeah, they took a mild (a bit too much in my view, also) aproach, and i understand why. I'd love a longer race with pilot change in the pits tho, so you're not alone |
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