The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga - Page 11

The Badger · 13 Oct 2011, 17:09 (Ref:2970598)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

That WM was a reasonable looking car!

Your having a laugh

..... that thing looks like a bath toy !!!

Victor_RO · 13 Oct 2011, 17:15 (Ref:2970600)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

That WM was a reasonable looking car!

As long as you saw it at the speed they wanted it to go, not at the speed it actually did regularly.

CTD · 13 Oct 2011, 17:16 (Ref:2970601)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

That WM was a reasonable looking car!

Certainly was! (it was also powered by a Peugeot engine - that must have had some influence

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Your having a laugh

..... that thing looks like a bath toy !!!

It's a beauty no matter what you say

vyselegend · 13 Oct 2011, 19:10 (Ref:2970646)

I say, it looks good as long as you're not watching it along a real beauty of the genre, like the XJR12.

JAG · 13 Oct 2011, 19:19 (Ref:2970649)

@mulsannescorner

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Hear Toyota might have smthg to say about LMP1 program either tommorow or Tuesday the 18th. A litle sooner that we thought...

Simmi · 13 Oct 2011, 19:22 (Ref:2970652)

Tomorrow would be nice please Toyota.

TF110 · 13 Oct 2011, 19:26 (Ref:2970656)

Awesome! The Peugeot hybrid is out and about, time for Toyota to show theirs? Hybrid has to be included, surely they won't let Peugeot one-up them in the hybrid LMP wars?

deggis · 13 Oct 2011, 19:49 (Ref:2970668)

"Tomorrow"... timezones: if it's just a press release it could come any minute now?

In Tokyo it's 5 o'clock in the morning.

gustavobamba · 13 Oct 2011, 19:59 (Ref:2970674)

I don´t want to be rude but i suspect that is them saying that Hybrid program just in 2014 and 2012/13 just engine suply

I really want them to come to Le mans but I think is to soon for them.

deggis · 13 Oct 2011, 20:03 (Ref:2970677)

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Originally Posted by gustavobamba

I don´t want to be rude but i suspect that is them saying that Hybrid program just in 2014 and 2012/13 just engine suply

I'll take that.

TF110 · 13 Oct 2011, 20:30 (Ref:2970684)

Everything points to them entering a factory effort. We already know their engine supply. Toyota announcing something that trivial while everyone knows their keeping a bad secret just seems unlikely. Plus we have a good source in Mr. Mike.

Canada ALMS fan · 13 Oct 2011, 20:38 (Ref:2970691)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Everything points to them entering a factory effort. We already know their engine supply. Toyota announcing something that trivial while everyone knows their keeping a bad secret just seems unlikely. Plus we have a good source in Mr. Mike.

Man I hope this happens for WEC or ALMS for 2012!

TF110 · 14 Oct 2011, 03:21 (Ref:2970811)

I hope so as well, but I don't know if Toyota will run an american program. WEC is more likely, I would say they will do WEC, hopefully not just LeMans.

Canada ALMS fan · 14 Oct 2011, 03:36 (Ref:2970815)

An LMP1 WEC program at least means we would get to see the cars race "over here" so I'd take that. Running at Sebring is the best prep they could do for Le Mans IMO.
I hope it's not just a hybrid announcement or engine supply deal for LMP1, as you said that's not really big news. We need another factory team and who knows what Aston will be up to now???

AGD · 14 Oct 2011, 04:04 (Ref:2970819)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

An LMP1 WEC program at least means we would get to see the cars race "over here" so I'd take that. Running at Sebring is the best prep they could do for Le Mans IMO.
I hope it's not just a hybrid announcement or engine supply deal for LMP1, as you said that's not really big news. We need another factory team and who knows what Aston will be up to now???

I think you can kiss the slim hopes of Aston returning with a new LMP1 effort goodbye for the next couple of years if Toyota jumps in during that time. But, yeah, we'll have to see if there is an announcement and what will be announced. Hopefully it's not something pointless like a Deltawing engine deal or Nippondenso providing starter motors to some team or something.

MitchZ06 · 14 Oct 2011, 04:30 (Ref:2970825)

Rebellion TMG Hybrid 2012/13 with 3 cars (3rd car all Japanese line-up) followed by full factory effort (Rebellion to Toyota as Oreca to Peugeot) in 2014 maybe?

AGD · 14 Oct 2011, 04:43 (Ref:2970827)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Rebellion TMG Hybrid 2012/13 with 3 cars (3rd car all Japanese line-up) followed by full factory effort (Rebellion to Toyota as Oreca to Peugeot) in 2014 maybe?

I could see TMG offering Rebellion a hybrid option on a customer basis. Perhaps Rebellion could be used to test technology, but let's face it, Toyota is more than capable of doing their own testing and their own racing in-house. Could Toyota do what Acura did? I suppose, but I think any significant effort from Toyota would be fully in-house.

TF110 · 14 Oct 2011, 04:46 (Ref:2970828)

We'll just have to wait and see. Anything involving them with their own car is good news.

The Real DMN · 14 Oct 2011, 08:13 (Ref:2970894)

Announced:

http://www.lemans.org/en/news/Toyota...ours_5425.html

AGD · 14 Oct 2011, 08:23 (Ref:2970899)

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Toyota Motorsport GmbH (TMG) is delighted to confirm that it will take part in several races of the 2012 FIA World Endurance Championship, including the Le Mans 24 Hours.

So I take it then that they won't do the whole championship in 2012? The Toyota guy in the statement linked above says they want to do the WEC, but I don't know about 2012.

But, yeah, petrol hybrid. I think they have a real shot with the way the rules are right now.

EDIT: Here are some more details and a sketch.

vlad1977 · 14 Oct 2011, 08:32 (Ref:2970903)

Great news!
Having 3 big manufacturers in the WEC and Le mans is excelent.
When was the last time we had so many big factory teams? 1990 - 2000?
Welcome Toyota!
I just hope the rules are now OK and we will not see a clear advantage for diesel over petrol or petrol over diesel.

gwyllion · 14 Oct 2011, 08:35 (Ref:2970906)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95341 has a rendering of the car.

AGD · 14 Oct 2011, 08:38 (Ref:2970907)

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When was the last time we had so many big factory teams? 1990 - 2000?

Well, just looking at prototypes an argument could be made for the early 2000s. Audi, Bentley, Cadillac. Chrysler, MG, and Panoz if you want to count those. Most people would look at the late 90s when there was Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, and Nissan. Not all in one year, but in the span of a couple of years.

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I just hope the rules are now OK and we will not see a clear advantage for diesel over petrol or petrol over diesel.

We shall see. I have a hunch that Toyota may skip the pre-Le Mans WEC rounds. There may be practical reasons for doing that, but I also think they don't want to show their hand especially if petrol has an advantage. That's just a hunch though. We'll see. There may be a desire to race in the US, but I guess they could always do ALMS races if that is important.

What kind of hybrid system should we expect? Electric battery?

Nick6 · 14 Oct 2011, 08:39 (Ref:2970909)

1999 had BMW, Toyota, Audi, Mercedes and Nissan all in the same year and in 1998 you could add Porsche to the list too.

Simmi · 14 Oct 2011, 08:43 (Ref:2970910)

This is an early Christmas present. So happy. Even with all the rumours it is great to have it confirmed. Hopefully this is just the start.

My deposit will be going down for Le Mans 2012 on Monday!

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