Chevron B19

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

This might be useful.

Autosport 3 Mar 1983 p61: Charles Agg advertises a Chevron B19 as "Yes it's another one but this is the car driven by John Watson and Emerson Fittipaldi. Also driven by Pete Smith who won the two litre Can-Am Championship".

I have no note of either Watson or Fittipaldi ever driving either a Chevron B19 or a DART entry but S. Peter Smith did compete in the 2-litre class of the second Can-Am in 1977 and 1978 in a Chevron B19 or Chevron B19/21 with Red Roof Inns sponsorship. He won his class more often than not in 1978.

It was white, in case that helps work out who raced it in 1983.

Allen

Hi Allen
John Watson finished 4th overall at Jarama in 1972 in a Red Rose B21.... 7th in heat one, 2nd in heat 2. If it was a B19/21 that would explain the entry. Was the car an ex DART one....
He also drove Tuckett's B21 (with Andrew Fletcher) in the 1972 BOAC 1000km. Another Peter Smith is also listed as a DNS in a B19/21....
Wattie later did a Springbok series in a B26 with Jody Scheckter (1973)
He also shared a B26 with Gethin at the Nurburgring 1000km in 74.

Wilson (not Emerson) Fittapaldi in a DART B19 Brands Hatch 1971, 10th BRSCC Evening News Trophy race, RAC Sports Car Championship

[driftwood]

The B19-71-30 car for sale via geoff Richardson is the John Abrahams/Andre Verwey Springbok car
after i have removed xmas lisghts take tree to the recycle plant i iwlllist all the adverts i have founds so far form 71 to 73 AS mags ive read

John Gay B19 is lepps chassis 9 car and i believe it may have also carried b21 -24 tag



I have a note of Hugh kleinpeter advertising his B21/23 for sale in AS March 8 1973

I am still puzzled by eddie regan car being sold in 71/72 when he still is adertising it in january 73

the references to new B19 1972 spec car is not correct terminology as the b19 was with a covered passenger cockpit section b21 is fully open 2 seater as rules had changed for 72 season

I also have a note that Phil Scragg ends up with the 3 litre BMW powered B19 car in 73 ( i have also just found this car for sale in USA In jaegermeiester livery carrying B21-72-27 tag "ex Phil Scragg" car for sale- "Originally driven by British hill-climber Phil Scragg, this Chevron B21 was subsequently sold by Fred Opert Racing to Canadian Brian Burgess who ran it in the Can-Am 2-liter class."
this car was the 3 litre BMW powered B19 car for sale late 71 lengthened to take longer engine

In 23 August 73 AS advert peter Smith/ david Welpton advertise their b21-72-3 car £4500

[allenbrown]

Drifty - can you give exact dates in Autosport for the adverts you have?

There is now a Chevron B21 thread - for those that haven't already spotted it.

[driftwood]

I have also located german man who is matey with ralf Walter i await news back from Ralf on his car

Allen you refer to Clemens Schikentanz in B19
here is a photo link http://www.norisringhistorie.de/1971/71_08a.htm

In 1972 he buys new b21-72-12 fits BMW Schnitzer ( not M12 that is dieter quester car)
article in Autosport 28/9/72.
It says" Clemens Schikentanz, German saloon car ace found himself driving
a new Chevron BMW B21 sponsored by Dahl-Kanal Racing. The engine was the
first customer 2 litre BMW engine to be sold and not in a March chassis.
The reason for this was that the head and injection were Schneitzer
designed, claims around 270bhp for this unit. Anyone can buy this unit
for a modest 3750GBP. The motor being produced being in full agreement of
Jochen Neerspasch who afterall does not really care who wins as long as
it's a BMW. The head, also 4 valve, bears the Schneitzer one-piece rocker cover while the injection trumpets are mounted on the left inside of the right
of the engine to suit the easier fitment into German cars apparently."
The car finished 9th in the Interserie race at N'ring - the Norschleifer
ring.

It was bought & driven by May 1974 by the next owner Gorg Moritz
Clemens raced Porsche 911 before & after this in and around 1971.


Allen with all this info coming so thick and fast shall we stop at the end of 1972 MN AS race reports to gather our breath formulate a list of cars drivers races etc? - We still have SCCA B sports race results to add cars from and Japan G events plus the Italians on the hills TF and domestic sports car series!

NB i see you have just posted while i typed i was thinking on a B21 thread but wondered IF it may complicate things?/

[allenbrown]

I have already stopped to draw breath. I will repost the Nurburgring Interserie and then plod through a bit further to get a fuller list of second-hand B19s. I'll include French hillclimb results as there were two of three there. I have 1972 Autosprint in the garage but I doubt I'll have time to get to those and really I need to send them home to Andrew.

If we can get as far Barcelona and Paris at the end of the 1972 season, we can then put chassis numbers to quite a few of the cars.

[Simon Hadfield]

Autosport gives the Sebring entrant as Sheirson/Opert, does Doug go on and sell the cars via print ads? Or Fred for that matter? Lee Chapman did tell me of one B19 with credible American history from 72 to date, I will see if he remembers the number.

[driftwood]

Allen
how will u send mags to andrew? i have flight case heading to sydney soon possible space

was also wondering if we make list of all events in 71 72 for these cars so we can keep our eyes peeled

WCM races inc LM daytona/sebring targa florio
euro 2 litre races
interserie races
UK sports car c/ship plus libre events
South african and Angolan races

Italain sports car c/ship
USA SCCA B sports races
Japan GC long distance races
French Italian FIA euro mountain race events
plus Spain/Portugal had mountain races ( see the portuguese website mainly 73 onwards from memory)
There are Swiss & German events
plus we had 2 cars running on UK hillclimbs and sprint events

what have i missed out?

[Jeremy Hall]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

One for Jeremy: "Roger Heavens has sold his B16 to the US and replaced it with one of the latest B21 Spyders". MN 24 Feb 1972 p19

Other B21 customers mentioned are Yorkshiremen Trevor Twaites and Pete Smith.

Thank you Allen, that ties in exactly with the photos I have seen in the US with the car arriving at Chicago Airport on a pallet missing only wheels-the suspension is clearly visible in the photo.There was no engine/ transmission in the car however and to avoid import taxes as a car the chassis plate was not present -apart from that it was a whole car.

[Jeremy Hall]

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

Nick Craw is now 2nd IC at the FIA isnt he? Could he be contacted? I think a Rudi Junco still historic races in the States out of Bud Bennetts stable.

I'll ask him tomorrow Simon and check with the Bennett's

[driftwood]

yes rudi runs out of Buds shop he bought his tyrrel P34#7 from Bud he now runs
not spoken with RJ for a few yrs now

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by driftwood on the B21 thread

John Gray B21 is in fact B19-71-9

We have an Autosport source for it being the ex-Lepp B19 ('J') but what's your source for the Lepp car being B19-71-9?

Originally Posted by driftwood on the B21 thread

Zabrowski in 72 races B19-71-3

Source please.

[Delbert]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Drifty - can you give exact dates in Autosport for the adverts you have?

There is now a Chevron B21 thread - for those that haven't already spotted it.

I contacted Dahl Kanal (now owned by a Danish company) and spoke to Manfred Dahl's son. They had their 40th Anniversary in 2002 and on the front cover is Clemens Sch'z sat in the B21 in the pits - although it is wearing B19 bodywork. That is how I have managed to recreate the look. I will try to load a scanned copy of the picture.

[Delbert]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

We have an Autosport source for it being the ex-Lepp B19 ('J') but what's your source for the Lepp car being B19-71-9?

Source please.

I too would be interested in this one. There is an unbrokend history of 71-9 and I have spoken to John Lepp and James Bell on a few occasions about 71-9 and they didn't mention it becoming a B21.

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Trophée d'Auverne (Clermont Ferrand) MN 24 Jun 1971 p14.

E. Red Rose Racing: John Hine (wrecked in the race)

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Croft 10 July 1971 (MN 15 Jul 1971 p6).

O. Red Rose Racing: John Hine (brand new - replacing 'E')

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Brands Hatch Aug 1971 (MN 2 Sep 1971 p14).

O. Red Rose Racing: John Hine

We know from (Sport Auto 300 km d'Auvergne August 1971 p63-65) that 'E' was B19.71.8. According to a history of B19.71.29 on the Chevron Heritage website, 'O' was two cars, firstly B19.71.25 up to Brands Hatch and then, after a second crash, B19.71.29. It was then this second 'O' that was sold to Silverwood for the 1972 season. The car was then sold to Mike and Bev Oates and used in minor events in 1973 and then went to South Africa in September 1973. It is still there in 2008, owned by Gerrie van Zyl. Its history is available on the web and seems very convincing.

However, this is a secondary source so we don't know where Van Zyl got the number B19.71.25 from. It's possible that 'O' was B19.71.25 and the reference to B19.71.29 is actually Red Rose Racing's third late-season car, 'X'. However, I'm more inclined to believe that 'X' was the car Red Rose updated for 1972 so this history will do for now.

[allenbrown]

Also on the Chevron Heritage website, the 1971 Lepp car ('J') is identified as B19.71.9.

According to this history (suuplied presumably by current owner Kevin Wilkins) it went to John Gray for 1972, then was raced by James Bell and in 1973 and 1974, then to Jonathan Buncombe to become the 'Chimp', then Vin Malkie (date unknown), James Wallis, Richard Eyre, Ray Bellm, Roger Andreason in 1986, then to the US and then Wilkins in 2006.

The number B19.71.9 seems reasonable so I suggest we run with it until we get definite confirmation.

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Delbert

I too would be interested in this one. There is an unbrokend history of 71-9 and I have spoken to John Lepp and James Bell on a few occasions about 71-9 and they didn't mention it becoming a B21.

You will see on the B21 thread that the Gray car was noted as wearing the number B21.72.24 at Paris in October 1972. As I haven't worked right through 1972 yet, I couldn't say whether that's the same car Gray is driving at Brands Hatch in April where it is noted as ex-Lepp.

[Simon Hadfield]

From Autosport, Spa 1000kms, Lepp sharing "Gray's B19, Lepp's car from last year" Also the guy who restored and ran the B19 for Jim Wallis, Bryan Clafton, works with us and I will ask him for his memories tomorrow.

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

BARC 1000 4 Apr 1971 (MN 8 Apr 1971 pp12-14,24)

AB: Terry Croker/Richard Shardlow (DNS)

Originally Posted by allenbrown

It's also noted in MN 27 May 1971 p18 that Richard Shardlow will not be continuing with his B19 (seen only in practice at the BOAC 1000 kms) and the car is for sale.

Originally Posted by allenbrown

MN 27 May 1971 pp6-7: report on the second round of the European 2-litre Sports Car Series (Salzburgring 23 May).

M. Siffert Automobiles Racing: Gerard Larrousse (brand new)

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Silverstone 5 Jun 1971 - Round 3 (MN 10 Jun 1971 pp9-10).

M. Siffert Automobiles Racing: Gerard Larrousse

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Hockenheim 4 July - Round 4. Tell me if you're getting bored MN 8 Jul 1971 p6

M. Siffert Automobiles Racing: Gerard Larrousse

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Nurburgring 5 Sep 1971 (MN 9 Sep 1971 pp5-6).

M. Siffert Automobiles Racing: Gerard Larrousse

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Vallelunga 30 Oct 1971 - Round 8 (MN 4 Nov 1971 p19)

M. Siffert Racing: Gerard Larrousse

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Nurburgring Interserie race 3 Apr 1972 (MN 13 Apr 1972 p27; preview MN 30 Mar 1972 p23)

AH. Jorg Zabrowski

Also on the Chevron Heritage website, the Shardlow car ('AB') is identified as "CH-DBE-03". According to the history (presumably supplied by owner Ross Maxwell), this car then to Jo Siffert so is also the Siffert Automobiles Racing car ('M') raced by Gerard Larrousse. It was then sold to Jorg Zabrowski for 1972 so is also his car ('AH'). It then has a highly plausible history to the present day. I suggest we go with this until we get definite confirmation.

So 'AB' = 'M' = 'AH' = B19.71.3

[allenbrown]

Yes, I know it says CH-DBE-03 on the website and may well say it on the chassis plate and I know some people like dashes (B19-71-3) and some like slashes (B19/71/3) and some even like leading zeroes (B19-71-03) but I'm going with dots because I think it's more legible.

[allenbrown]

Identifications so far:

E = B19.71.8 (Source: Sport Auto 300 km d'Auvergne August 1971 p63-65).
F = B19.71.7 (Source: Sport Auto 300 km d'Auvergne August 1971 p63-65).
G = B19.71.10 (Source: Sport Auto 300 km d'Auvergne August 1971 p63-65).
I = B19.71.12 (Source: Sport Auto 300 km d'Auvergne August 1971 p63-65).
J = B19.71.9 (Source: owner's history on Chevron Heritage website)
M = B19.71.3 (Source: owner's history on Chevron Heritage website)
O = B19.71.25 (wrecked) and then B19.71.29 (Source: owner's history on Chevron Heritage website)
U = B19.71.20 (Source: Javier del Arco de Izco, Montjuich Park 1972)
AA = B19.71.30 (Source: Autosport advert to follow from Drifty)
AB = B19.71.3 (Source: owner's history on Chevron Heritage website)
AH = B19.71.3 (Source: owner's history on Chevron Heritage website)

[allenbrown]

(Not in order again)

Ampus hillclimb (European and French championships) 19 Mar 1972 (sources Autocourse and Echappement)

K. Cyr Febbraio

[allenbrown]

Remember the Barons Sandown Park auction car? Fuller history here. The name Cyr Febbraio was attached to that car and the chassis number '70 S 10'.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Remember the Barons Sandown Park auction car? Fuller history here. The name Cyr Febbraio was attached to that car and the chassis number '70 S 10'.

Yep. that is the Allen Timpany car, plate is indeed 70-S-10, with engine "FVC"

Allen, here is the updated version of the spreadsheet, I think you have allocated AE to two different cars, I am puzzled how to put the B21s in here, maybe they need a separate sheet, (page 2 in the same sheet. any preferences?)

[driftwood]

B21 cars please not that at least 2 b19 cars get re built/updated into b21 with plates classic example is Bill tucket/Fletcher car

I am also "informed" from a spanner welding man of the day that RRR cars where all updated from b19-21 specs however time will tell if the info follows the A MN race reports and adverts etc as i will not want to pour doubt on his memory- what can you recall from 32 -36years ago?

Allen i am mailing you driecty my advert ists feel free to post on b19/21 threads when yr ready

[allenbrown]

I'll have to ask John to fix posts 243, 245 and 247. It should be:

AE. Peter Humble
AF. Jimmy Mieusset
AG. Gabriele Serblin
J. John Gray
AH. Jorg Zabrowski (turns out to be the same car as 'AB' and 'M')

The B21s are a separate numbering system so I've started lettering them again from 'A'. I'd suggest a separate sheet. We'll find quite a few B19s updated to B21 but they seem to getting new B21 chassis numbers as it happens. I think Chris has said before that Chevron numbered tubs, not complete cars, so if a B19 gets a new chassis or if a car is built up from a B21 chassis with bits and bobs from older cars, it's seen as a B21 by Chevron. That's just a theory for now - let's see what we discover.