[Team] Red Bull: Unbullievable

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by wnut

You going to leave us hanging here?

I'm pretty sure she is.......

[E.B]

Originally Posted by wnut

You going to leave us hanging here?

https://youtu.be/d4piHt4jvG4

[S griffin]

I do think Red Bull have done a good job considering what they have and where they came from, the key is to keep maintaining it. Especially as others could come on stronger, but even if isn't a great year, I don't think it would be a bad year for them either. We'll see

[Mike Harte]

Unbullievable: Horner's latest interview with the BBC; It's all Mercedes' fault!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60651647

[TrapezeArtist]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Unbullievable: Horner's latest interview with the BBC; It's all Mercedes' fault!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60651647

There are various hornerisms in there, but the top one must be
"I don't believe the rules were not followed correctly. I think that they were applied perhaps differently to how they had been before by not allowing every single car to unlap."
Referring to Abu Dhabi, obviously.

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by E.B

https://youtu.be/d4piHt4jvG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZF-skCY-M

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Unbullievable: Horner's latest interview with the BBC; It's all Mercedes' fault!

What's the problem? Is this not better raised in the Mercedes thread rather than Red Bull?

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

What's the problem? Is this not better raised in the Mercedes thread rather than Red Bull?

Not really. This is the 'Unbullievable' thread and the quote from Horner definitely seems to fit the bill.....

[Adam43]

...seems to fit the bull.....

Crikey, F1 is tedious crap. Perhaps we should extend the no pits to race control from the team principles to just no communication from them at all ever.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Adam43

...seems to fit the bull.....

Crikey, F1 is tedious crap. Perhaps we should extend the the rules for team principles to just no communication with the media from them at all ever.

I think that I have corrected that statement for you!

[steve_r]

The hypocrisy from Horner is utterly staggering, but I guess we should be used to that by now.

Thanks Christian for stirring up this tedious story just as it was calming down a bit.

[JamesH]

Originally Posted by steve_r

The hypocrisy from Horner is utterly staggering, but I guess we should be used to that by now.

Thanks Christian for stirring up this tedious story just as it was calming down a bit.

It's like he is living in an alternative universe.

[S griffin]

He really seems to only see things from his own perspective

[chillibowl]

honestly, i would be baffled had he not maintained his unrelenting defence of his team.

feelings about the outcome very no doubt but all things being equal, i respect the loyalty.

probably should call it Hornerspeak though!

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

honestly, i would be baffled had he not maintained his unrelenting defence of his team.

feelings about the outcome very no doubt but all things being equal, i respect the loyalty.

probably should call it Hornerspeak though!

I continue to find the level of outrage (not sure if that is too strong or not) odd. Given the topic is still raw, you put a microphone in front of Horner or Wolfe, you are highly likely to see some controversial opinions shared. Which puts us right back into Groundhog day again. I can imagine that on any slow news day, someone can say "What about that Masi guy? Wasn't he unfairly treated?" and then we are off running all over again.

This somewhat also reminds me of how people react when you see quotes from Bernie Ecclestone, Jacque Villeneuve or Helmut Marko. They are guaranteed to deliver something entertaining and to stir the pot. All good for a quick and juicy quote on a slow news day.

Richard

[Skam85]

And yet Toto is also on the Sky documentary accusing Wheatley and Masi's friendship as being the catalyst for the Abu Dhabi decision.

they.are.all.as.bad.as.each.other.

[Adam43]

I was just thinking they are as bad as each other. Wasn’t thinking about the team principles though.

[steve_r]

Perez contract extended until 2024, with Red Bull calling it a "no brainer". I entirely agree. He has closed the gap to Verstappen, and has just had probably his best weekend in formula 1.

IMO - Gasly now needs to leave the Red Bull family, if there is any other F1 drive available - even if that means taking a step back to a slower team.

[Theunser]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Perez contract extended until 2024, with Red Bull calling it a "no brainer". I entirely agree. He has closed the gap to Verstappen, and has just had probably his best weekend in formula 1.

IMO - Gasly now needs to leave the Red Bull family, if there is any other F1 drive available - even if that means taking a step back to a slower team.

I expected they would extend the contract, a bit surprising it is for 2 years, and makes me even happier.
The probability of Perez winning the World Championship is low, yet I would be so happy to see it happen.

About Gasly, well I never saw the potential Champion in him, a decent midfielder tho, hopefully he won't miss out on a seat for next year. For him to leave Alpha Tauri is mandatory.

Other thing to come to my mind is that what happens with Tsunoda. He is quite good this season, he matured and improved a lot. Probably he could stay on for next year, but after that? Hard to imagine RB gives him a fourth year at Alpha Tauri and they won't be moving him up to RBR. Maybe some kind of deal like in the Albon-Williams case?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Perez contract extended until 2024, with Red Bull calling it a "no brainer". I entirely agree. He has closed the gap to Verstappen, and has just had probably his best weekend in formula 1.

IMO - Gasly now needs to leave the Red Bull family, if there is any other F1 drive available - even if that means taking a step back to a slower team.

I agree that Gasly is stuck in the Red Bull family and to move forward he needs to leave. Maybe if Ricciardo gets the boot at the end of this season (likely IMHO), maybe Gasly moves to McLaren? There doesn't seem to be many options for him.

Originally Posted by Theunser

Other thing to come to my mind is that what happens with Tsunoda. He is quite good this season, he matured and improved a lot. Probably he could stay on for next year, but after that? Hard to imagine RB gives him a fourth year at Alpha Tauri and they won't be moving him up to RBR. Maybe some kind of deal like in the Albon-Williams case?

After last year, I felt that this was the make or break year for Tsunoda. I felt he was mostly here as a thank you to Honda. But he is starting to make serious progress. I can see him back at Alpha Tauri next year if he keeps his current pace of progress.

Richard

[S griffin]

Gasly has made his own way, but I can't see what he does next. He might be out and then where does he go? I can see him leaving F1 and going to another series, like Indycar

Tsunoda, yes, he hasn't done much this year. He's a decent driver, but not a top line driver. He has the talent. It will be interesting to see what he does next

[steve_r]

I think that Gasly could potentially "do a Sainz" if things fall right for him when he leaves the RB family. He should take Zac Brown out for lunch.

Tsunoda was awful last year - even taking into account that it was his rookie year. Needed to improve and perhaps has done so. I cannot see him ever making it into the main RB team, but at least he is now beginning to show that he deserves to be in F1.

[Born Racer]

Yes, that's a fair assessment, although I think 'awful' is a bit harsh. His good days were very good, but he was very hot and miss (and I don't just mean hitting walls, as you would expect that from a rookie), but he was sometimes nowhere and also lacked the application, which I don't recall being seen mentioned about anyone at this level since Jan Magnussen.

[Skam85]

Yuki's P4 in Abu Dhabi will be looked back on as career-defining. It was exactly the confidence boost he needed going into the off-season of what was a tough but decent first year.

He's done well so far this season against a strong teammate in Gasly, who will definitely have his eyes on McLaren or even Mercedes.

I also feel that with Checo and Max entrenched at RB now they have changed their view on the senior team/Alpha Tauri makeup, in the sense that Checo is not a RB driver academy driver and is there to stay, so Alpha Tauri won't be as much of a "you have two seasons or you're out" mentality.

A fairly strong chance now would be Tsunoda and Vips at AT next season, with Gasly going to McLaren alongside Lando.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Skam85

A fairly strong chance now would be Tsunoda and Vips at AT next season, with Gasly going to McLaren alongside Lando.

Is Vips outperforming Lawson? Neither Lawson or Vips seem impressive enough in F2 to warrant promotion IMO.