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probably not. the F1 version of Godwin's law will still rule..."As an F1 online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Ferrari cheating and/or Hamilton lying approaches 1"
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Really disappointed by this official F1 comparison video. They don't show the speed comparison from the on-boards and only focus on where Vettel is. And from their video it really seems like Hamilton did not drop speed at corner exit during the first restart. In fact, he does the first restart exactly how it should be done and he is both successful at gaining an advantage, and at the same time, being fully predictable. |
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I for one truly believed the side swipe was just a mistake while red-misting and the punishment fit the crime. But Seb wants to stick to the "I had full control at all times" story then it was an intentional move to bang wheels. Well.....
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Yep, you are.
Back to the matter at hand, a couple of well known F1 folks have some very interesting things to say about Ferrari. And I can't say I disagree with them. http://www.darrenheath.com/blog/disgracing-themselves https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017...-punishment-2/ Also, it's interesting that in the FIA's statement on the further investigation of the Vettel/Hamilton matter, it states: Quote:
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Both, particularly Heath, are so clearly biased in their opinions of Ferrari that they will go to extreme lengths to portray anyone in red as a product of satan. Not the type of people I'd happily say I agreed with - unless you share the tin-foil hat with them? |
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For a slightly more balanced article, look to Will Buxton:
https://willthef1journo.wordpress.co...d-retribution/ No tin foil hat there. |
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Finally have got round to watching 2016 F1 review DVD and it's amazing to think Kyvat got a 10 second penalty for locking up and running into the back of Vettel. So by this logic accidentally hitting someone up the rear is as bad as deliberate contact!
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personal preference is that there should be no further investigation. i dont like what Seb did and his penalty was light (as penalties sometimes are) but the race was a classic and imo why change a classic?
to have a hearing, 'lawyers' arguing their case, and the inevitable appeal which will follow....for what? so the FIA can exert its authority? so we can spend the next decade or so debating whether or not this has now become a tainted championship? we finally have two top teams and two top drivers fighting it out and for me i want to see it play out on the track and not behind the closed doors of the Place de la Concorde...if history tells us anything, this always leads to less resolution and more controversy. this smacks of the old era which i though everyone was hoping F1 was moving away from! |
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Get out of here, Will Buxton, with your logic and reason. This is the internet!
No prizes for guessing that I'm very pleased at the prospect of further investigation into this and I hope Vettel has a hefty rulebook thrown at him. I don't care if it will 'spoil the championship' - I find it puzzling how anyone can call themselves a fan of motorsport whilst attempting to justify on-track antics like this, just because there are now two drivers from different teams who could win the title. And still... nothing from the man himself? Did I miss it? It's amazing how much good a phrase like "I'm sorry, I messed up" could have done at almost any point since Sunday - I mean, less effective as time passes, but it would have been something. I hope part of his punishment is a direct-to-camera apology. |
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I'm wondering. Could having rotating stewards giving out penalties possibly lead to awkward or neutered decisions? Somewhere in here, it was posted that the stewards didn't want to give too harsh a penalty and affect a championship. If this is in their thoughts, maybe this is a problem? If the same stewards were at every race, they wouldn't have to worry about how they affected the future races. Kind of like they're afraid to break something for the next guy. Does anyone else think this is a problem?
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