BTCC 2014 BTCC speculation, rumours and news - Page 11

Speed-King · 22 Sep 2013, 22:36 (Ref:3307860)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

I honestly didn't see United Autosport going down the touring car route. If anyone was to buy out Dynojet, I thought it might have been Paul Bird.

Well, their McLaren GT-program proved to be a bit of a dead end... so I guess they were looking for something new...

porsche962fan · 23 Sep 2013, 07:27 (Ref:3307989)

so HARD should have stayed a 1 or 2 cars at most team ?

EastonNeston · 23 Sep 2013, 10:22 (Ref:3308080)

I understand that a number of companies run by Tony Gilham were wound up in the high court recently, the action presumably been brought by creditors who wanted to recover the money owed.
Also the 'Team Hard' cars were not at the last round of the VW cup.

Sadly it suggests major financial issues for Tony.

Craner Curves · 23 Sep 2013, 10:37 (Ref:3308093)

Sad, but you can't say it's not a surprise.

porsche962fan · 23 Sep 2013, 11:06 (Ref:3308113)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Sad, but you can't say it's not a surprise.

simply put he expanded too much too quickly

even big private teams like WSR and Motorbase don't go beyond 3 cars

Craner Curves · 23 Sep 2013, 11:15 (Ref:3308117)

Or is it a case of NGTC being too expensive to start from scratch for the smaller teams. As we saw with Thorney.

porsche962fan · 23 Sep 2013, 11:35 (Ref:3308129)

well the likes of Dan Welch and Rob Austin don't have that big budget either yet they stuck to 1, max 2 cars and didn't overexpand

Eurotech have done the best being a Team Dynamics client and now almost beating them

Craner Curves · 23 Sep 2013, 14:02 (Ref:3308176)

Yes but Welch and RAR struggle on the budget they have. That's why they drive their own trucks, have to appeal for fans to buy t shirts to fix the cars etc.

psq43 · 23 Sep 2013, 15:01 (Ref:3308193)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Yes but Welch and RAR struggle on the budget they have. That's why they drive their own trucks, have to appeal for fans to buy t shirts to fix the cars etc.

It works though doesn't it. The fans love it, and it saves cash which can go into the racing. Makes perfect sense.

Rather see the drivers being part of the team in more than one way, than the drivers sticking their nose up at the dirty work and going practically from race car to home in one swift primadona move.

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 23 Sep 2013, 16:00 (Ref:3308215)

A true rumour I found!

http://www.jaginfo.org/showthread.ph...r-in-2014-BTCC

That looks amazing, even if it is a bit of fun!

porsche962fan · 23 Sep 2013, 16:13 (Ref:3308221)

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Originally Posted by psq43

Rather see the drivers being part of the team in more than one way, than the drivers sticking their nose up at the dirty work and going practically from race car to home in one swift primadona move.

flying in an Augusta helicopter by any chance ?

psq43 · 23 Sep 2013, 16:23 (Ref:3308224)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

flying in an Augusta helicopter by any chance ?

Now I'm not one to cast aspersions on no doubt fine upstanding members of the racing community!

Thorney · 23 Sep 2013, 18:56 (Ref:3308298)

NGTC can work for anyone so long as they know the real budgets, not some marketing hype about what the budget should be.

Its costs £250-300k to build first car, £200k to build car no2.

It costs £200k -£250k minimum to run a car for a full season assuming no big damage bills.

You will need approx £100k of kit to run the cars/team (truck, fueling, toys etc)

Work to that and anyone can run in BTCC, have any less than that then give up now, save yourself the heartache.

VIVA GT · 23 Sep 2013, 19:50 (Ref:3308327)

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Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

A true rumour I found!

http://www.jaginfo.org/showthread.ph...r-in-2014-BTCC

That looks amazing, even if it is a bit of fun!

As long as they can get away with a NASCAR style 7/8 (or smaller) model it'll probably be OK!
Mind you it would have been better suited to the Andy Rouse proposed V8 Touring Car series...

porsche962fan · 23 Sep 2013, 19:51 (Ref:3308329)

but we can assume most teams already have the kit (transporter etc) from other racing activities

and would love to know how much did Adam Morgan spent on the used ex Wrathall Avensis cos he is best Toyota driver this year

if you say 250 K minimum to run the car doesn't it mean that the likes of HARD asks 250 / 10 = 25 K per weekend to their legions of pay drivers ?

Bramzel · 24 Sep 2013, 06:44 (Ref:3308565)

Actually Jaguar is expected to reveil a 3-series competitor next year. While I don't see an XF running in the BTCC that one might make more sense.

Spanner monkey · 24 Sep 2013, 12:45 (Ref:3308731)

Maybe we wont see a Jaguar on the grid but a we may see a Mercedes with a current team to rival the BMW's...

davyboy · 24 Sep 2013, 13:11 (Ref:3308749)

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Originally Posted by Thorney

NGTC can work for anyone so long as they know the real budgets, not some marketing hype about what the budget should be.

Its costs £250-300k to build first car, £200k to build car no2.

It costs £200k -£250k minimum to run a car for a full season assuming no big damage bills.

You will need approx £100k of kit to run the cars/team (truck, fueling, toys etc)

Work to that and anyone can run in BTCC, have any less than that then give up now, save yourself the heartache.

So roughly around £600K-£700K per car.

... or circa £2.5M for four cars in the case of Team Hard. Which begs the same old question we've been asking time and again... how did Tony Gilham - a man who not that long ago had an auction on eBay trying to find the funding for a single meeting on a rented S2000 BMW - manage to fund this.

medius · 24 Sep 2013, 14:08 (Ref:3308775)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

So roughly around £600K-£700K per car.

... or circa £2.5M for four cars in the case of Team Hard. Which begs the same old question we've been asking time and again... how did Tony Gilham - a man who not that long ago had an auction on eBay trying to find the funding for a single meeting on a rented S2000 BMW - manage to fund this.

Pay drivers and about 300 sponsor logos on every car.

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 24 Sep 2013, 17:10 (Ref:3308821)

http://rgm-motorsport.com/press-releases/

Anyone see this yet?

porsche962fan · 24 Sep 2013, 18:19 (Ref:3308842)

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Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

http://rgm-motorsport.com/press-releases/

Anyone see this yet?

yes

another one of the "we want to race in BTCC but sponsors come and fund us "

Craner Curves · 24 Sep 2013, 18:20 (Ref:3308843)

Old, old news.

Aunt Sally · 24 Sep 2013, 18:55 (Ref:3308859)

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So roughly around £600K-£700K per car.

... or circa £2.5M for four cars in the case of Team Hard. Which begs the same old question we've been asking time and again... how did Tony Gilham - a man who not that long ago had an auction on eBay trying to find the funding for a single meeting on a rented S2000 BMW - manage to fund this.

He obviously didn't. That's why he has sold it all!

porsche962fan · 24 Sep 2013, 19:05 (Ref:3308863)

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Originally Posted by Aunt Sally

He obviously didn't. That's why he has sold it all!

Am I right saying that HARD (financial) problems started when James Cole suddenly departed ?

and you know if sponsors knock on the doors of Rob Austin ? he has now lots of public appeal and fan base and a very good image surely something perfect made for them to be associated with ?

pinkd56 · 24 Sep 2013, 19:29 (Ref:3308874)

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Originally Posted by Spanner monkey

Maybe we wont see a Jaguar on the grid but a we may see a Mercedes with a current team to rival the BMW's...

Ciceley?

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