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25 Feb 2015, 00:26 (Ref:3508624) | #251 | ||
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How about IMSA USCC just dump prototypes all together and run GTLM/GTD?
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25 Feb 2015, 00:39 (Ref:3508625) | #252 | ||
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Cue Horndawg's reminder that IMSA's not ditching prototypes and going all GT anytime soon
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25 Feb 2015, 00:40 (Ref:3508626) | #253 | |
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European France against Florida France.
I see your absurd proposal and will up it with two new absurd proposals. |
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25 Feb 2015, 00:47 (Ref:3508627) | #254 | |
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Carbsmith, if that were the result we would all be lucky.
However as far as i can see FIA really doesn't have any use for privateers in P1. The cost to field a competitive P1 car is on par with a competitive F1 program, and we can see from F1 that they can't keep their grid full. Full-on, top-of-the-line, cutting-edge racing cars are just too expensive for any but the biggest budgeted manufacturers. Sure, some of the smaller constructors could make P1 chassis, but no one wants a P1-L. HPD had a P1 chassis ready to build, if anybody wanted one. No one did, because no one wants to spend a quarter-billion dollars to be seventh or eighth--at best. Those small consturctors like Onroak and Oreca Sold P2 chassis. If Onroak, Orca, and HPD get the contracts, all the rest will be out of business, of forced to make track-day cars and LMP-3s and hopefully will not all go belly-up. No way those companies are going to make any money with P1 programs when no one wants to pay for the cars. No way they are going to build P1 cars on spec--ask Peter Wirth. What worries me is that if, in a few years, some of the P1 factories decide to move on, there won't be a lot of small constructors ready to step up with new P1 designs, and if the four annointed companies do, they won't have the capacity to also make P2s. Drive out the small constructors, and they won't be there when Peugeot pulls out at the last second and only Audi is left. Toyota saved ACO last time; who will step up if VAG and Toyota decide its no longer worth it, and Nissan's front-engined car gets some publicity but can't compete? Suddenly its 20-30 years ago and Le Mans is lame? GTP has to come over to save the series? Great, except GTP will be DP, and suddenly the stupidity of driving out small constructors will be apparent. Of course, in five years TUSC maybe moribund as well, as these castrated spec-mobiles aren't going to keep fans coming to the track. TUSC is coming closer than ever to Rolex 2.0--which is awesome, seeing how well the first iteration fared. |
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25 Feb 2015, 02:01 (Ref:3508648) | #257 | ||
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Just ask the guy who posted before I did--someone else who wants IMSA to drop to being GT only like it was prior to 1981.
It can happen, but the ACO are going to have to ditch prototypes first (not going to happen), and even if they did, I'd bet that IMSA would try and do something to keep the class going for a few years after the ACO pulled the plug. |
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25 Feb 2015, 02:04 (Ref:3508650) | #258 | |
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Well so far this is just a proposal, anything could change. I hope
It is interesting that it is IMSA that will have different engine regs from the rest of the world. Maybe, if they keep with old regs all those P2 cars that can't be raced anywhere anymore in Europe will race in the TUSC series. |
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25 Feb 2015, 05:56 (Ref:3508673) | #259 | ||
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If IMSA is dedicated to keeping prototypes, I'd do just this. "Hey, you got a P2 car that isn't one of the 'approved' ones? Bring it to IMSA, it's legal here." They will lose badly out of this rules proposal, so to heck with it, if they must keep prototypes keep the rules you have now (screw it, include the DPs and the DeltaWing) and toss the doors open. You want everyone to sell their cars? How about no....
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25 Feb 2015, 11:29 (Ref:3508758) | #260 | |
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Seems like Jim France is balking:
http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/11377...ona-prototypes |
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25 Feb 2015, 12:04 (Ref:3508769) | #261 | ||
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That's just a fear mongering way of saying "We're gonna grandfather them in for a year or two, just like we've always done when there's a major rule change."
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25 Feb 2015, 12:51 (Ref:3508783) | #262 | ||
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They should dump prototypes all together. "Spec" and "Prototype" together is an Oxymoron. VIR demonstrated that a good competitive GT field with top manufacturers up front will sell races just fine. Without prototypes being ACTUAL prototypes I simply don't care about them (along with many other fans). The GTE/GT Pro racing though...that has really grown on me. Prototypes other than LMP-1....MEH |
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25 Feb 2015, 13:44 (Ref:3508825) | #266 | |
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I'm sure the current PC cars will be grandfathered into 2017 (and probably 2018) as well.
The prospect of lean, very lean domestic prototype racing in the US in the next couple of years is looming... |
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25 Feb 2015, 13:46 (Ref:3508827) | #267 | |
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For the sake of the big races it would be better if big manufacturer funded GTE teams fought for wins instead of lean spec prototypes.
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This. Put a BHF on the PC cars. Open the restrictor a bit and have one class. The paddock will b!tch, but it's the fans that are true stakeholders in this.
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25 Feb 2015, 14:12 (Ref:3508846) | #270 | |
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Well, there's always the 'comfort' of hope to get another WEC race in North America come 2017...
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25 Feb 2015, 14:15 (Ref:3508848) | #271 | |
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Yeah... at 6 Hours of Indianapolis... exciting...
@HJJ Think he said dump all the protos, not merge... |
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3 Apr 2015, 16:53 (Ref:3523442) | #272 | |
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Hopefully the GT3 category in TUSC in 2016 can get to 20+ full season teams. Is that not unreasonable?
The schedule should be changed for sure next year compared to 2015 to take this into account. I think P and GTLM teams can handle one more round. They should run 11 races. Leave GT3 to 10. LMPC to 9 or 10. You can probably add one new track to the schedule somewhere. Maybe Miller Park in Utah since there is huge hole geographically right now that this extra race idea can fill. Another idea is to have a street race where IMSA is the main show. NO Indycar or even Formula E presence! Would love Washington DC to come back, but its about who can poney up the cash to promote the race properly. Anybody can get their local city councils to volunteer? Would love to see Lime Rock feature a GTD only race next year since full GT3's will be there. That would be a neat event to have just once a year. Laguna should go back to split P/GTLM and LMPC/GTD. That worked well in 2014. Last edited by jasonjessica09; 3 Apr 2015 at 17:00. |
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3 Apr 2015, 17:54 (Ref:3523463) | #273 | ||
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There's like, nothing in Utah in general.
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3 Apr 2015, 21:32 (Ref:3523546) | #274 | |
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Need more Midwest and Northwest races
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3 Apr 2015, 21:44 (Ref:3523549) | #275 | ||
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And less of what? Add some there, you must take away from somewhere else.
What road courses are there in the "midwest"? I really don't know of other options there other than current events. Miller is terrible, but that's not really mid west. Topeka? Northwest too. All I know is Portland, that can actually hold an event. I'd love to see PIR added, if the hippies will allow it. |
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