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24 Jan 2019, 10:14 (Ref:3878158) | #251 | ||
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GRM is a racing manufacturer and engineering company, they basically can't do anything to develop or otherwise add value to the car.
Sure they can turn up and run it for someone, but so can someone else with far less skill, experience and equipment. Oh one thing I've noticed from UK & WTCR. These are road cars and are very fragile. Doesn't take much nose to tail to hole a radiator and you're out. Funny the people hating on Supercars who want production racing, be careful what you wish for. We had a lot more DNFs in the Group A days for innocuous things. |
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24 Jan 2019, 10:42 (Ref:3878168) | #252 | |
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They're seeing it as a low risk income generator.
If after the first year or two things aren't stacking up, they can punt them to some schmuck overseas. They don't absorb a lot of money or manpower between events, if kept straight. The maintenance on a TCR car in general, is pretty low compared to a Supercar, where the cars are virtually getting a full tear-down after every second or third event. The Alfas have been known to be a little on the fragile side, but the talk out of Romeo Ferraris, the constructor is that a raft of updates are coming online this year, that are due to be ticked off at the mid-Feb homologation test. They have been a little behind the curve in terms of developement, as up until last season, they'd only had 2 cars. Last year they had cars full time in WTCR, TCR Italy, and part time programs in PWC, TCR UK, and TCR Europe, to draw data and feedback from. A big cash injection from selling a few certainly helps. Getting a well-resourced customer in GRM is a boon for RF. |
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24 Jan 2019, 11:40 (Ref:3878178) | #253 | |
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I'm not sure (sadly) that TCR organisers would want the "look" of 25-year-old Civics, Pulsars and Silvias making up the grid.
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25 Jan 2019, 12:15 (Ref:3878513) | #256 | ||
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Yeah such a waste considering we are currently over run by teams collaborating with manufacturers to introduce new cars to Australian motorsport.
New international category in Australia gets a major team to enter - how isn’t it a significant day? Or were you hanging out for news on what shade of blue 888 will run on the cotf this year? I know that gets the heart racing |
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No mention of data interchange or blokes and blokettes from the European TCR team hanging around down here to help set up and run the cars. Just GRM running cars they bought virtually out of a catalog. Anyone else remember GRM’s last foray with the Alfa Romeo 155, when they couldn’t use the Magneti Marelli data system as it was in Italian New cars and patrons buying them for others to drive is a good thing. If there is a commercial value proposition to attract non-family backing to replenish and develop and run the cars. Anything else may just be fanciful romance... |
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25 Jan 2019, 22:11 (Ref:3878680) | #259 | |||
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However, this isn't a manufacturer effort, there is no manufacturer involved, and it is less exciting than the so-called factory teams, who are factory in name only. It's the same bullshit argument calling SRM the BMW factory team, or MPC the factory Audi team - they are the sales outlet for cars sanctioned by the factory, and that is where it starts and ends. I'm happy that we seem to have most of the marques represented in TCR locally but I'm interested to see what sort of talent is lined up. "A Great Day" in Australian motorsport was when Garry snagged Volvo for a real factory effort. Barry buying a couple of cars anybody can buy, for an International series with fields the quality of club racing in most places, is not. redherring.gif |
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25 Jan 2019, 22:59 (Ref:3878685) | #260 | |
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The point of TCR has been completely missed here.
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26 Jan 2019, 02:47 (Ref:3878713) | #261 | ||
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Not missed, but the significance blown utterly out of proportion.
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26 Jan 2019, 03:10 (Ref:3878716) | #262 | |
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It was a great day for TCR Australia. Nothing more.
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26 Jan 2019, 22:38 (Ref:3879150) | #264 | ||
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Nobody ever suggested they were worse off.
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26 Jan 2019, 23:27 (Ref:3879183) | #265 | |
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Supercars good
Not supercars bad |
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27 Jan 2019, 00:23 (Ref:3879221) | #266 | ||
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Actually 100% the other way. The posters here who slag off anything that happens in Supercars land are the same ones making a hyperbolic miracle out of what is a solid but unremarkable fact. As they do WITH GT.
I watch this class, I am trying to like it, but a whole lot has to happen for it to be anything other than a curiosity here. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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I'm hoping with the right amount of backing, and some decent talent that the Aussie version of TCR is the best version of TCR in the world. But it's hard to find great racing online from the category.
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27 Jan 2019, 01:23 (Ref:3879261) | #268 | |
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TCR Germany and TCR Europe are probably the better series to watch.
TCR Italy is ok too, but no English commentary. |
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27 Jan 2019, 01:48 (Ref:3879276) | #270 | |
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It's 3 races per round, so they'd be circa 20mins long.
Any longer than that, and they get boring as they're all nursing tyres. PWC TCR is bad for this. 40min races, where for the first few laps they're shuffling into some sort of order, then the race settles into a holding pattern until the last lap or two, where the top 2 or 3 cars use what's left of their tyres. Everyone else is spread out, or a lap down. |
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27 Jan 2019, 01:56 (Ref:3879279) | #271 | ||
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When the cars are so equal in spec I guess I am dreaming that tyre wear might allow passing opportunities.
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27 Jan 2019, 02:15 (Ref:3879294) | #272 | |
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I'm of the belief that good tyres improve racing, not bad tyres.
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27 Jan 2019, 03:49 (Ref:3879362) | #273 | ||
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So we have cars that are road relevant and look cool, but don't sound fantastic, and they produce processional racing, that even with the success ballast in play overseas doesn't seem to be able to mix it up.
I guess in order to spice things up, they are going to have to potentially resort to reverse grids, joker laps etc. And people say the main game is contrived, with fuel drops and forced pit stops etc. |
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27 Jan 2019, 13:55 (Ref:3879637) | #274 | ||
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Under my idea the only U2L proddies or IP cars allowed in to stack the back of the grid would have to be a new-ish model of body style.
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27 Jan 2019, 22:11 (Ref:3880063) | #275 | |
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Or tell the blokes in production cars with the BMW M4s and Lotii to bigger off to GT4, and run TCR with the proddies.
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