WEC New rules. New manufacturers. The 2021 and beyond positivity thread! - Page 11

Mike E · 24 Apr 2021, 19:48 (Ref:4047712)

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Originally Posted by canaglia

I think the few manufacturers interested are waiting to see LMH performances before to greenlight a lmdh program.
Speaking about mclaren, is quite ironic how a carbon and electronics/ERS top world specialist like mclaren should rely on other firms, undoubtedly not good as them, to get their lmdh chassis + ECU/ERS

Yes, it is a bit silly, but with BoP why spend the money if you don't have to?

Although it is maybe different for Ferrari and McLaren compared to Audi and Acura.

canaglia · 24 Apr 2021, 20:08 (Ref:4047714)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

Yes, it is a bit silly, but with BoP why spend the money if you don't have to?

Although it is maybe different for Ferrari and McLaren compared to Audi and Acura.

well audi and HPD don't have a f1-tier know how for sure, but yes mclaren isn't swimming in gold lately... it's a so sad a glorious firm like mclaren needs crumbs coming from bahrain to surive and carry on...

anyway what would be the effort of mclaren in a lmdh?
chassis and aero is made by the chassis supplier, ERS is spec, gearbox is from xtrac or hewland, engine will likely be made and tuned by ricardo... just some vanity bodywork panel?

S griffin · 25 Apr 2021, 08:51 (Ref:4047754)

You'll always be at a disadvantage from those who have been in sportscars long enough. Although McLaren have got enough to survive, they haven't got a bottomless pit of cash. At least they have got a better F1 season by the looks of it

They could do alright in LMDH, if they had the cash. Although they would probably not be able to do it all in house and need others to supply to other bits.

Mike E · 29 Apr 2021, 10:00 (Ref:4048411)

Audi LMDh to debut at 2023 Daytona 24.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...x-24-2023.html

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/...aping-up-13943

**joeb** · 29 Apr 2021, 11:58 (Ref:4048440)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

Audi LMDh to debut at 2023 Daytona 24.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...x-24-2023.html

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/...aping-up-13943

That still seems so far away! Good to hear they are still planning on customer options though.

Isn't Porsche planning on an earlier roll out for their car?

Gingers4Justice · 29 Apr 2021, 13:10 (Ref:4048458)

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Originally Posted by joeb

That still seems so far away! Good to hear they are still planning on customer options though.

Isn't Porsche planning on an earlier roll out for their car?

More or less 18 months! Cannot wait.

Simmi · 29 Apr 2021, 14:27 (Ref:4048475)

On the MP podcast last week Graham Goodwin said 8 manufacturers were part of the meetings around hydrogen regs.

**joeb** · 29 Apr 2021, 16:23 (Ref:4048503)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

On the MP podcast last week Graham Goodwin said 8 manufacturers were part of the meetings around hydrogen regs.

Are the hydrogen regs supposed to replace hypercar? or just be another eligible class?

Mike E · 29 Apr 2021, 18:38 (Ref:4048533)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Are the hydrogen regs supposed to replace hypercar? or just be another eligible class?

The original plan was for hydrogen to be an eligible fuel from 2024 so clearly will run alongside LMH/LMDh initially. But the days of fossil fuels in contemporary motorsport are numbered and batteries aren't currently realistic for endurance racing. So if it takes off, it may replace petrol.

Toyota are running a hydrogen fuelled ICE in a 24 hour race in Japan. I don't know if that will be an option in ACO racing or if they will have to run fuel cells.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...n-at-fuji.html

**joeb** · 29 Apr 2021, 19:33 (Ref:4048546)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

The original plan was for hydrogen to be an eligible fuel from 2024 so clearly will run alongside LMH/LMDh initially. But the days of fossil fuels in contemporary motorsport are numbered and batteries aren't currently realistic for endurance racing. So if it takes off, it may replace petrol.

Toyota are running a hydrogen fuelled ICE in a 24 hour race in Japan. I don't know if that will be an option in ACO racing or if they will have to run fuel cells.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...n-at-fuji.html

Thanks, and I did see that Corolla running. It seems like there is a lot of technology that needs to be worked out before a hydrogen car can run for 24 hours at speed. I also seem to remember reading somewhere that one reason for current speed reductions in the top class was to prepare for hydrogen cars to be able to compete.

broadrun96 · 29 Apr 2021, 22:46 (Ref:4048572)

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Originally Posted by joeb

That still seems so far away! Good to hear they are still planning on customer options though.

Isn't Porsche planning on an earlier roll out for their car?

Yes, yes they are. From S365 notebook today

"Zurlinden also explained why the Porsche LMDh is due to roll out slightly sooner than its Audi counterpart, which is poised for a first-quarter 2022 track debut. “It’s parts availability, and we started the project much earlier,” he told Sportscar365. “We were already discussing concept phases in January last year at Daytona, when the regulations were published.”"

hondafan37 · 30 Apr 2021, 02:15 (Ref:4048598)

ADRIAN NEWEY AND THE 24 HOURS OF LE MANS (2/2): “I'D LOVE TO BE INVOLVED IN A HYPERCAR”

https://www.24h-lemans.com/en/news/a...hypercar-55026

Sodemo · 30 Apr 2021, 10:17 (Ref:4048639)

If they had hotswappable batteries it would be possible, however the industry doesnt appear to want to embrace "swappable" batteries, which is ironic considering one of the barriers people have to switching to an electric car is the long charge times.

Mike E · 30 Apr 2021, 21:14 (Ref:4048818)

Which Hypercar team will Felipe Albuquerque end up at?

**joeb** · 1 May 2021, 00:03 (Ref:4048837)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

Which Hypercar team will Felipe Albuquerque end up at?

He has been a beast in P2! I'd assume Porsche or Audi since Peugeot has already announced drivers. Plus he was an Audi driver at one point.

broadrun96 · 1 May 2021, 00:56 (Ref:4048841)

Yeah, I was guessing more LMDh teams with his knowledge in the current chassis. Plus as joeb mentioned I think everyone but Ferrari has announced drivers

**Adam43** · 1 May 2021, 01:58 (Ref:4048855)

Lots of opportunities coming. Everyone one of these 2023 teams need three drivers for each car. I’ve only just twigged that. Good times to be a pro sportscar driver

Lutzvic · 3 May 2021, 15:07 (Ref:4049423)

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...e-and-bmw.html

would be nice........

**joeb** · 3 May 2021, 20:18 (Ref:4049499)

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Originally Posted by Lutzvic

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...e-and-bmw.html

would be nice........

Even if just one of those came to fruition it would be great for the series. I suspect the BMW LMdH is more likely because it puts some of the chassis development in the hands of a chassis constructor. Either way i'd guess we are looking at 2023 for one of these programs to show up.

Simmi · 4 May 2021, 14:24 (Ref:4049631)

Works Penske Porsches on both sides of the Atlantic! Plus customer cars available from '23.

Oh baby!

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...-and-imsa.html

Always assumed this would happen, albeit not necessarily in a full works relationship. But amazing to see it confirmed.

**skycafe** · 4 May 2021, 14:36 (Ref:4049634)

Oh Baby Indeed!

Exciting news for both championships!

Mike E · 4 May 2021, 14:51 (Ref:4049638)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Works Penske Porsches on both sides of the Atlantic! Plus customer cars available from '23.

Oh baby!

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...-and-imsa.html

Always assumed this would happen, albeit not necessarily in a full works relationship. But amazing to see it confirmed.

Awesome news. Le Mans 2023 is shaping up nicely!

**PascaLM** · 4 May 2021, 15:28 (Ref:4049646)

Penske+Porsche for Dayona, Sebring and Le Mans, so good news ! I hope that BoP discussions will not interfere with the huge battle we can expect.

**joeb** · 4 May 2021, 15:49 (Ref:4049655)

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Originally Posted by PascaLM

Penske+Porsche for Dayona, Sebring and Le Mans, so good news ! I hope that BoP discussions will not interfere with the huge battle we can expect.

Looks like Porsche's factory drivers are going to be busy! I wonder if they will use 2 different crews, or try and mix and match as the schedule allows. Also wonder if both crews will run Le Mans?

broadrun96 · 4 May 2021, 15:55 (Ref:4049657)

By 2023 they may not have any GTs and need 4 Porsche LMDhs to fill the field. Plus however many private cars they can build/sell.

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