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Discuss the failure in process, not use the occasion as an opportunity to knock the promoter
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Clearly Scudds post shows that its not the promoter looking for an increased return as was suggested by the anti v8s poster Thus the conspiracy theory was blown Anyway, i dont care about tyres, Looking forward to awesome cars and some top drivers |
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"potentially the influence of a new promoter looking for an increased return." Conspiracy theory blown Just man up and admit your conspiracy theory was wrong, or stay silent |
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Does the move to a control tyre not create an increased return for the promoter - SRO and V8SC?
Where is the conspiracy? |
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Fair enough - that is an assertion from myself.
I would be keen though to see a move to a control tyre supplier 'not' resulting in an increased return for the promoter. |
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Ordinarily I would say that if someone tenders for exclusive supply, then they are normally screwed to the wall in order to gain the exclusivity and the competitors therefore get a better deal in the process. |
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Just to clarify - are you suggesting that there is no evidence of the move to a control supplier? Or that there is an increased return for the promoter as a result of the move to a control supplier?
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I would suggest that most people would agree that the aim of control supply agreements is to deliver a lower price to competitors through increasing volumes through one supplier, not to deliver a profit to organisers. |
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Does Bernie not profit from the exclusivity deal with Pirelli? Or Bridgsetone before that? Do promoters not sign exclusivity deals with TV networks, airlines, fuel companies etc for commercial gain? Why are tyres any different? Where competitors complaining about the cost of tyres that were putting teams participation at risk that forced the promoter to step in and sign a deal with a single manufacturer .............….………… No |
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Controlling mechanical components including tyres is meant to a) reduce cost by reducing competitive variables that may cause teams with more money to test things that teams with less money might not be able to. And b) by making a control supplier bid for a large, predictable amount of business, lower supply prices on a fixed specification of product is the aim of a control supply agreement. As part of a successful tender bid a supplier may by default or choice become an advertising partner to promote their brand at and during the event, which at the day is why they go racing. The assertion you are trying to make however, that the promoter of the B12hr has chosen a sole tyre supplier so they can increase prices to competitors and pocket the difference, has no basis in fact. All of the "arguments" you make are begging the question. There are no facts to any of them. |
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With zero benefit or financial gain to the promoter - is that you are suggesting Mixer?
Pirelli doesn't pay Bernie anything for the right to supply 100% of tyres. Dunlop (or whoever supply the 5 litre cars today) don't pay anything for the right to supply 100% of the tyres? |
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Also: Promoter of the B12hr isn't a manufacturer of anything. Comparing apples to pears. |
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