[BTCC] BTCC 2022 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[Evantra]

Good signing Multi year deal as well.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Pickles

Did anyone honestly see this coming?

Or was he one of the mysterious 3 not signed

[porsche962fan]

just HARD still left


Honda Civic - Team Dynamics - Gordon Shedden
Honda Civic - Team Dynamics - Dan Rowbottom

Honda Civic - BTC Racing - Josh Cook
Honda Civic - BTC Racing - Jason Plato
Honda Civic - BTC Racing - Jade Edwards

BMW 330 - WSR - Colin Turkington
BMW 330 - WSR - Stephen Jelley
BMW 330 - WSR (Rokit) - Jake Hill

BMW 330 - Ciceley - Adam Morgan
BMW 330 - Ciceley - George Gamble

Hyundai i30 - EXCELR8 Motorsport - Tom Ingram
Hyundai i30 - EXCELR8 Motorsport - Dan Lloyd
Hyundai i30 - EXCELR8 Motorsport - Tom Chilton
Hyundai i30 - EXCELR8 Motorsport - Jack Butel

Ford Focus - Motorbase (NAPA) - Dan Cammish
Ford Focus - Motorbase (NAPA) - Ash Sutton
Ford Focus - Motorbase - Sam Osborne
Ford Focus - Motorbase - Ollie Jackson

Toyota Corolla - Speedworks - Rory Butcher
Toyota Corolla - Speedworks - Ricky Collard

Cupra Leon - HARD - Jack Goff
Cupra Leon - HARD - Árón Taylor-Smith
Cupra Leon - HARD - Bobby Thompson
Cupra Leon - HARD - ???
Infiniti Q50 - HARD - Rick Parfitt Jr

Infiniti Q50 - Aiden Moffat Racing - Aiden Moffat
Infiniti Q50 - Aiden Moffat Racing - Dexter Patterson

Vauxhall Astra - PMR - Michael Crees
Vauxhall Astra - PMR - Ash Hand

[Robin Marriott]

It’s got to be Hamilton

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Or was he one of the mysterious 3 not signed

I think that was just smoke and mirrors (BS)

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Or was he one of the mysterious 3 not signed

No, this deal's been in the pipeline for a while.

The three not signed were the BTC and Speedworks loan TBLs which have now been returned, and the final CBM TBL.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by sceptic

No, this deal's been in the pipeline for a while.

The three not signed were the BTC and Speedworks loan TBLs which have now been returned, and the final CBM TBL.

Except that is not what was claimed at the time:

6 Feb: 'The only 3 not yet signed are 1 at Speedworks and 2 at BTC.'

12 Mar: 'The 4th “BTC” seat is the only one not signed as it stands, but pretty sure it will be sorted one way or another during this coming week.'

With the 4th BTC seat not materialising - then all seats must now be signed.

As of the 6 Feb, Speedworks still had three TBLs though, so we know this was also not a correct statement at the time - with Collard only signing recently - (7 Apr, We ran a series of evaluation tests with him over the last week, and by the end, both parties were very keen to sign on the dotted line.)


It is this information that results in posters such as billy bleach being frustrated with the claims. Whilst it is accepted that circumstances change behind the scenes, making an assertion as to which seats are / aren't signed which then turns out to be incorrect just means that credibility is lost.

[antnee]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Except that is not what was claimed at the time:

6 Feb: 'The only 3 not yet signed are 1 at Speedworks and 2 at BTC.'

12 Mar: 'The 4th “BTC” seat is the only one not signed as it stands, but pretty sure it will be sorted one way or another during this coming week.'

With the 4th BTC seat not materialising - then all seats must now be signed.

As of the 6 Feb, Speedworks still had three TBLs though, so we know this was also not a correct statement at the time - with Collard only signing recently - (7 Apr, We ran a series of evaluation tests with him over the last week, and by the end, both parties were very keen to sign on the dotted line.)


It is this information that results in posters such as billy bleach being frustrated with the claims. Whilst it is accepted that circumstances change behind the scenes, making an assertion as to which seats are / aren't signed which then turns out to be incorrect just means that credibility is lost.

You are assuming every word in a press release is true though. The Collard deal has probably been penciled in for a long time, but some factors needed to be settled prior to formally signing the deal

[Evantra]

HARD are being unusually quiet aren't they? Normally their seats are all signed early on or it's being hyped up with #GAMECHANGER posts every other day. Perhaps there was a deal that fell through. Or perhaps they've got no takers for the Cupra!

[Alfisti]

So are we now saying their won't be a works Volvo powered by a Kia engine?

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by Evantra

HARD are being unusually quiet aren't they? Normally their seats are all signed early on or it's being hyped up with #GAMECHANGER posts every other day. Perhaps there was a deal that fell through. Or perhaps they've got no takers for the Cupra!

New title co-sponsor announced for two Cupras. Autobrite Direct with JourneyHero.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

New title co-sponsor announced for two Cupras. Autobrite Direct with JourneyHero.

Unusually quiet regarding the driver announcement, think they have about twelve title sponsors now!

[Pdh]

They also don’t seem to be doing much mileage with hybrid like everyone else is

[Sodemo]

I saw a couple of videos on youtube from drivers / teams saying the hybrid kit didnt work all that well. Seems to be odd that they have been testing it for over a year, but the teams only now are having problems (publicly at least). Did the teams only recently get their hands on the kit?

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I saw a couple of videos on youtube from drivers / teams saying the hybrid kit didnt work all that well. Seems to be odd that they have been testing it for over a year, but the teams only now are having problems (publicly at least). Did the teams only recently get their hands on the kit?

Yes, some only in the last few days

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by Evantra

HARD are being unusually quiet aren't they? Normally their seats are all signed early on or it's being hyped up with #GAMECHANGER posts every other day. Perhaps there was a deal that fell through. Or perhaps they've got no takers for the Cupra!

Wasn't #gamechanger when the CC was first launched? Don't remember seeing it much since, it's good that you remembered it though.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I saw a couple of videos on youtube from drivers / teams saying the hybrid kit didnt work all that well. Seems to be odd that they have been testing it for over a year, but the teams only now are having problems (publicly at least). Did the teams only recently get their hands on the kit?

In answer to the last part - yes.

From 29 March - 'it was distributed to all BTCC teams in recent weeks' and 'all teams were in attendance, with the majority running the hybrid system during the day, while some are still in the process of completing the installation across all of their cars.'

[antnee]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

So are we now saying their won't be a works Volvo powered by a Kia engine?

Well we do sort of have a Kia engine now - the Hyundai i30N unit is also used in some Kias....

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Pickles

Wasn't #gamechanger when the CC was first launched? Don't remember seeing it much since, it's good that you remembered it though.

I think they last used that hashtag in 2017.......

[Robin Marriott]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I saw a couple of videos on youtube from drivers / teams saying the hybrid kit didnt work all that well. Seems to be odd that they have been testing it for over a year, but the teams only now are having problems (publicly at least). Did the teams only recently get their hands on the kit?

It’s not looking promising for a faultless start to the season in 16 days is it?

Nobody should have been given the kit until there was enough for every car. As it stands there’s going to be some who have a definite advantage.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

It’s not looking promising for a faultless start to the season in 16 days is it?

Nobody should have been given the kit until there was enough for every car. As it stands there’s going to be some who have a definite advantage.

Is it a supply issue or a fiscal supply issue?....

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

It’s not looking promising for a faultless start to the season in 16 days is it?

Nobody should have been given the kit until there was enough for every car. As it stands there’s going to be some who have a definite advantage.

I think every team received at least one set of hybrid kit before they all tested, so there is a fair starting point for gathering data.
In terms of the non-hybrid cars within the teams, in theory they could add ballast to simulate the weight of the hybrid kit and gain other setup data - so it's not a totally uneven playing field.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Is it a supply issue or a fiscal supply issue?....

the kits were available to all the teams at the same time once they paid for them so nobody had a head start on anyone

[Sodemo]

As the S2000 teams found out in 2011, a sudden increase in the amount of wheel torque can play havok with the car handling. I think WSR were the team most affected when they fitted the turbo engine to their 320. Massively different torque curve and different diff required etc, not that simple, or not the simple change some thought. I don’t think this will be as pronounced a change though.

[piekey]

Looks like Restart Racing is about to make a statement on driver,car,sponsor lineup for 2022
Bert is a go getter for sure.