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They spent hundreds of millions in F1 every year. They claim the lmp1 budget is a quarter of that per year. Plus Toyota just reported record profits, despite recalls. They make billions each quarter. Their profit this fiscal year was greater than the next 3 biggest auto companies combined. Theyre not hurting for money at all. Any recall has little affect. The floormat, sudden acceleration recall didnt even stop them making money. In '09 the recession in the U.S. hurt every major auto maker. So bmw, honda and Toyota all dropped f1.
$100million a year on lmp1 is a drop in the bucket to what they spend on other things. So no, theres not much going on that would make them abandon the wec. 2017 is only two more years participation anyway. From there maybe we'll see if they step down or continue on. Im thinking class 1 and maybe Formula E along with the wrc is their next global race projects. |
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I have seen the Takata sponsor logos on the Toyota and Takata is undergoing one of the largest recalls in history. I think it is 32 million vehicles with their airbags installed. It seems that could directly involve some sponsorship money for Toyota. Plus Toyota is having to recall 1.5 million affected vehicles.
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27 May 2015, 12:14 (Ref:3541712) | #2756 | |
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BTW that image of the truck above is just a Japanese roadshow, not how they are rocking up to test day.
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27 May 2015, 12:23 (Ref:3541714) | #2757 | |
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Not surprising, that does not look particularly practical in terms of using the available space
Cool stuff though, good to see Toyota Japan interested in the project. |
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Yes, but it will be much cheaper than the other Manufacturers, and they are only making two, and not three.
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If anyone has noticed, Kobayashi is now added as the 4th driver on the #1 car. The TS040 showcar has been doing its tour from yesterday and continues to circle Japan for the next couple weeks. Iirc, theyre holding a viewing for the race as well.
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28 May 2015, 15:32 (Ref:3542118) | #2762 | |
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Has there been any suggestion that they were not getting the tires working properly for Toyota in terms of temperature and wear? That alone could mask a lot of performance and might explain the poor sector 2 times.
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28 May 2015, 15:53 (Ref:3542123) | #2763 | |
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That would be very strange considering one of their goals for the 2015 car was superior tire behavioural characteristics/wear.
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28 May 2015, 17:13 (Ref:3542144) | #2765 | |
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I'm pretty sure they're simply down on power, a French article mentions a power deficit of up to 150hp.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=TM+I...atement&annual VAG is the top company in R&D investment, though. While Toyota is only 7th and this two are the only car manufacturers among the top 10: http://fortune.com/2014/11/17/top-10...h-development/ If Toyota doesn't start decreasing their net income massively in the next few years, then I agree it's very likely that their LMP1 project is safe |
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I mean a rumoured power deficit of 150hp compared to the Porsche is believable but haven't Toyota been messing about with the motors and supercapicitors at Silverstone? I heard they changed spec either before of right after qualifying? They have still always been ahead of Audi in a straightline haven't they? Watching the cars at Silverstone and Spa, they appeared to have poor front end grip, or atleast poor balance. There were many moments when the cars where exceeding the track limits on corner exit from what look like understeer.
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Seems like they are trying to keep a low-profile, no pictures of the car unloading yet when all others have. New super-secret aero package perhaps?
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28 May 2015, 19:30 (Ref:3542211) | #2772 | |
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Some countries use thousand-million instead of billion for 10-digit figures.
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Billion 1.000.000.000.000
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Long scale vs. Short scale
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