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Old 13 Jan 2014, 11:13 (Ref:3353351)   #276
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Well, here , a movie that shows that " spoon effect" is possible to obtain a large area, no such model of the wing , set " bellies " to each other. Between the wings , air is blown using an ordinary hair dryer .. The second part of the film , you will see that blowing this way only one wing , we can feel the hand , there is some lift of the wing . Simply it is so microscopic that it can not feel , despite the fact that once we're blowing on the wing , then do not . I do not feel any difference. The reason is also that the air dryer has a very low speed, and it is relatively very little ..
However, as we hold as two wings . set ' bellies to each other, and kept at one end , the other end , a very intense vibration , bouncing off each other, as a result of blowing the hair . the film do not really see these vibrations because their speed is high , as the camera does not records so quickly. records and revealed that the image of " waving wings. " In a time while also heard the " clack " of themselves striking the wings .. so attractive force them to each other must be large, as seems the powerful sound of beats between them. wing to descend , and then diverge , and again, there are withdrawal force with each wing , and so the circle. But fairly quickly , despite the relatively large area of ??the wings in relation to a small air stream flowing between them ..
In any case , it is this force several times to each side of the Astringent greater than the lift of a single wing , which you can not even feel that there is in these conditions ..

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Old 16 Jan 2014, 21:30 (Ref:3354912)   #277
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Of course the pipe that goes through the negative pressure means can be any lengths, and generators placed On the surface of the earth .. This may be from a set of several such sets ..



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Old 2 Feb 2014, 23:39 (Ref:3363434)   #278
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Old 5 Feb 2014, 13:39 (Ref:3364431)   #279
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Here, as the tunneling doing in the world, quickly and as cheaply ...



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Old 11 Feb 2014, 21:47 (Ref:3367075)   #280
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So, here is the sea, the British shows them for years, as same storms the fenced off shore .. which formed small pool ... Now the water accumulated there, you can refer back to the sea, but by the turbine, which will be make electricity .. The simplest solution ... A little more civilized, I invent .. here they are. Even with the smaller waves works .. In Scotland, the annual average wave height is 3 m .. And the car would probably put a nuclear engineers to examine how quickly the corrosive materials used in its construction .. In the video you can see that even a police officer imagines that in such a way that you can produce energy ..

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Old 26 Feb 2014, 00:00 (Ref:3372227)   #281
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The turbine is to be the trigger salt water back into the sea. Here some drawings that explain. You can build a special vortex, as there is a high coast. And the picture only in the world peak power pump salt water. But pump water upwards through the for feedback electrical current. I propose that the water pump teeth using sea waves-moving pumps with valves ..





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Old 26 Feb 2014, 00:01 (Ref:3372228)   #282
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Here the power but sweet water .. has the power of 700 MW, ie as the average nuclear reactor .. If they build the seafront, a few thousand of these pumps that could Diaphragm Pump by waves and swimmers pumped into the upper reservoir of salt water .. the difference in the levels of this plant is only 100 meters, so the pressure of the pumped water would have to be only 10 bar ..






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Old 26 Feb 2014, 00:02 (Ref:3372229)   #283
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A big thanks AndrewF ..

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Indeed as we have energy in excess, it can use it for pumping water on big height. Thanks tems Sytstem the waves of the sea may be even lower pressure designed .. Well, for example, only 2 bars .. which then drives the ram pump to a height of 125 meters, it can pump water

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Old 15 Mar 2014, 13:26 (Ref:3378963)   #284
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Here we see that nuclear power plants and water are exposed to blowing up .. My idea of ??all the tanks of salt water, to build on the high coast of the sea, is very safe and resistant to the threat of terrorism .. Because if even jtos shaft blow tank, the stored water, practically this water will not do any damage, because the drain into the sea, which is near ..

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Now we see the picture, the upper lake with an area of ??1.2 km sqare .. gives you energy for 8 hours, 700 MW ... or 24 hours it would have to be 3.6 km sqare ..
Imagine this upper lake measuring 8 km x 8 km = 64 km sqare ..
64/3, 6 = 17 .. now 17 x 700 = 12, 000 MW ~ ..
That is more than all British nuclear plants...: P

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Greg Locock, on 04 Mar 2014 - 22:14, said:
I think, if you live in an uninhabited country, that coastal hydro makes a lot of sense. But at least where most of us live the idea of flooding the coastal plains is a fairly drastic solution, not much different to the threats of rising sea level which may or may not turn out to be significant..
Nuclear power plant of 800 MW shall be adopted for the area of 5 x 5 km ... 64 km square So it have any 3 such power ... but here is 12000 Mw of free space for 15 nuclear power plants .. that is the difference, ie 12 will surface to be used for example to residence .. of course, the surface of the sea with swimmers will be pumping big ..

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Can someone pay me for finding 300 square km of free land in the UK?
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Old 15 Mar 2014, 13:27 (Ref:3378964)   #285
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Tsunamim from the mainland to the nuclear facilities?
You just can not build a whole country as safe as Nuclear power plant itself .. therefore will be different events ..
In my idea of fresh water tank bund height, does not have to be high, just 20 m, because the same tank now you have to build on the high bank, for example, 100 m (300 ft) course very near sea ..

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Old 15 Mar 2014, 13:28 (Ref:3378965)   #286
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Feliks, on 09 Nov 2009 - 20:55, said:
That if to fill all unused spaces up on ships with this polystyrene foam, most probably they stood unsinkable .

Thanks to the fact that it wouldn't be possible to sink them,
a lot of people so that it is possible to rescue.
And next
then to the shipyard it would be possible to tow away


Recently I noticed ,that the aircraft would be very useful by the ability to swimming
Two days ago :

BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8347913.stm

tu142 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-142


If such a shortcut poliuretane foam for construction of such parameters:





Specifications specific gravity after hardening 11 - 16 ,3 kg/m3* Base polyurethane Productivity of 825 ml – 66 litres * c 100 mb of the stream about the diameter of 5 2 cm * Pyłosuchość 8 - 10 minutes * Time of processing 15 - 30 minutes * Time of hardening from 5 up to 48 h (full mechanical load capacity) * a free access of air is Necessary. One should not apply foam in rooms closed tightly. Resistance to UV rays weak in outside applications one should shelter the surface of foam from the UV radiation. Structure of cells of c 70 % smoothed, evenly closed cells thermal Resistance after hardening from – 40 ° C to + 90 ° C (short-term to + 140 ° C)


15 bottle give 1 m^3 (1000 litres) cost about 80 $ , this can swimm 1 tones

Tupolew 142 have 80 ton weight 80 x 15 = , need 1200 pieces bottles this foam .


All cost of foam 80 x 80 $= 6400 $.
Whole weight of the foam to allow the total buoyancy such an airplane is 1200 KG
It is only 1% of the total weight of the aircraft.

Wig area is 311 m^2 , 80 m^3/ 312 m^2 = 0,25 m the average amount of surface foam on the inside wings. I think that in this plane is so much unused space.

And such buoyancy of the aircraft would also be found useful for Airbus over the Atlantic, as well as the Boening over Hudson.

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If my ideas and name were not banished, supposedly in the interests of different groups, it can now this flight Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 would have ended differently .. no but tell me not to fight with the Windmills of Don Quixote .. I think you are the wiser and better knowledge of what to do .. instead of listening what to do .. I wonder if those who are on hand this banning, feel at least some share of responsibility for what happened ...

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Anyway, but now it comes to airplanes .. According to my old calculations in 1 square meter for the TU 142 to have a buoyancy should be an average of 25 cm of foam .. or on each side of the plate from inside the 12 cm ... It's such a little thicker siding ..

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Old 17 Mar 2014, 12:20 (Ref:3381029)   #287
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You are Sancho Panza AICM£5

No, I'm probably more like Don Quixote fought windmills .. like me .. I guess he knew that something was wrong with them .. I only showed that the Windmill Red Baron may well serve the people .. But before all traditional windmills which Don Quixote fought disappear, probably it will be some time




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Andrew,

I subscribe to this thread and have always enjoyed your posts, so keep them going.

Regarding the use of foam to prevent aircraft from sinking when lost at sea, I don’t have the statistics, but anecdotally, I assume that most deaths are not due to drowning, but due to impact, or other high energy violent endings. I believe the scenarios you are discussing likely have adequate solutions in place (life rafts, etc.).

I think an excellent area for the use of that type of foam would be in help reduce the death toll for passenger and roll on/off ferry accidents. These seem to happen in rough seas, or in overcrowding conditions with sometimes large loss of life.

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Old 23 Mar 2014, 11:05 (Ref:3383260)   #289
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Andrew,

I subscribe to this thread and have always enjoyed your posts, so keep them going.

Regarding the use of foam to prevent aircraft from sinking when lost at sea, I don’t have the statistics, but anecdotally, I assume that most deaths are not due to drowning, but due to impact, or other high energy violent endings. I believe the scenarios you are discussing likely have adequate solutions in place (life rafts, etc.).

I think an excellent area for the use of that type of foam would be in help reduce the death toll for passenger and roll on/off ferry accidents. These seem to happen in rough seas, or in overcrowding conditions with sometimes large loss of life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maritime_disasters

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Thank you very much Richard for a good link and my subscriptions. I Normally you need only the broad outlines of the new ideas I present .. they require much development, by many people .. then they really for us is profitable ..
Such inspirational posts like yours, Richard causes that describes more about the innovation ..

Here I would like to say that the majority of pilots for emergency landing was going to make sure you water, if she was sure that the plane did not sink .. The waters, even on land is not much, for example, a lake or river. This launch is a big advantage. There is minimal risk of fire aircraft .. The most spectacular example is the "Miracle on the Hudson"
Here you can see how little is needed to plane could swim ..

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The plane actually has a tower of different things. plumbing, electrical .. But still has Most sending of empty unused space. . Of course you have to think 10 times, where we can insert each of 1 decimeter foam. Part needs to be done easily removable, in plastic bags or specially shaped profiles, that can be had for service to remove and after the back insert. It's a plane, one of the most complicated machines .. in addition with the high standards of reliability .. so it will not be pumping air into the inner tube ..

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Well in my engine variable compression ratio is feasible only for a single device in all cylinders ..
But maybe for the help of such a device could still improve valve timing ?

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Here the Czech bike .. as you can see you can .. My little energy will be more efficient, but the control sytem "bike can do similar....

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By education , I am Eng. mechanic. But I dealt with making the sound at concerts my apparatus .. It so happened that a few times , even ten times , I made a concert in Gdansk Shipyard Hall (which is then burned )
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%C5%B...Gda%C5%84skiej .
We have always had a pass to the shipyard , because the entrance to the hall was the scene from the side yard. I as the driver of the car, after a few hours of driving , I've always had a break , and my employees were unloading acoustic equipment and lined it . I have two hours of free time , and this pass, always walked across the yard and spied on how the technology of shipbuilding . Often talked with employees who explained to me the various ins and outs of building ships . Then I met shipbuilding quite accurately , because she was always very interested mechanics ... Then I came to realize concert .. With these trips , I know how much free space is on a big ship . Here I present figure of the ferry , which sink .. Knowing its importance , which is 6800 tons , and subtracting approximately 1,500 tons , steel, wood , fuel , and such a variety can displace water , leaves us to displace the water about 5300 tons. , And then ship will not drown .. an average of 5300 tonnes divided by the length of the vessel is 146 meters = one meter will fall an average of 36 tons. so much water should displace to get afloat .. Now the height of each side of the free spaces submerged to 2 x 10 meters. .. For the average 15 meters wide double bottom .. together gives us 35 running meters , part of the flotation technique around the ship ( floating section ) .. So enough that the average thickness of 1 m polystyrene foam , applied to each inner metal shell of the ship , provided the to always buoyancy of the ship .... only 1 meter thick ..



When it comes to airplanes, it also thoroughly know their structures .. In carrying about 1,000 concerts in the former Soviet Union, every change of concerts, took place only airplanes * Once was a car, but I said 'never again' J. I had to upilnowania 40 boxes with equipment weighing about 3 tons .. Always, as soon as possible, guarding the proper loading and unloading, personally entered the baggage compartments, aircraft, whom the trip was .. And these were the aircraft from AN2 to Il 82 all types which were in the Soviet Union .. So exactly what I learned there are opportunities. And I know that a lot of them too .. Especially as it applies molded styrofoam possible to remove, to do the service ..
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There s also the issue of internal inspection of the tanks. All the regulatory authorities require internal visual inspections of the tanks and pressure testing through the life of the ship, and Ultra Sonic thickness testing of the steel plates, how can you do any of these things if the tank has been pumped full of foam?

If the Hull is damaged and a section of damaged steel has to be cut out and new steel welded in, what happens to the foam?

Lots of practical difficulties.

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It is a pity that very carelessly read my posts and you watch my pictures .. clearly wrote that it does not have to be foam, but moldings, such as in this link

Also on section plane clearly can see that but there is a lot of free The places, and not how you think you .. Here is another one photo of the crash TU 154
I think that you should carefully read my poste, and certainly you will become a proponent of my solutions, and we will not have to cry after drowning our children in the future



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So they go on the road foam, administer (at least for ships) foam glass, which is maybe a little heavier than styrofoam, but it resists 600 degrees Celsius temperature ..

to get the buoyancy as the ferry Sewol, it would have to be about 800 tonnes of such glass foam .. the same as the volume of polystyrene...

http://www.astra-polska.com/index.ph...ering/penostek

http://www.geocell-schaumglas.eu/upl..._data_engl.pdf

http://www.uctm.edu/journal/j2013-2/1-Lakov_125-129.pdf

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All of these flaps, ailerons and rudders are completely empty inside .. You have to be flame-retardant foam fill special for these air targets, and made in the form of fittings.
Clearly, the wings are half the space








Also in the hull filling soundproofing could have been a foam instead of wool.
Wool absorbs water very quickly ..Surely you would need to develop now and again a special material, teeth had been closed and not soaked with water. and was close to the damping properties of wool. It is a big challenge, but with the quantity of aircraft produced, certainly to perform .. It's just to follow in this direction







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Talk with plenty of foam.

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i dont know the math but wont the plane still sink as the cabin and cargo areas fill up with water?
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Well think again about the Red Baron. something on you tube not much you can see these vibrations..

The effect of two teaspoons on the wings of aviation profile facing each other stomachs. Wind from an ordinary hair dryer ... you can hear the clatter of high-frequency wing strokes of each other. That is, the vacuum, despite the very light wind is enormous. Disappears, as the wings come closer and then again .. Hence arises the clatter.
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But the wings will be damaged when they start banging each other. Right? /

No Bocolo, this film is just a demonstration, designed to show that between wings have been observed even small wind evolves very large force, which causes a vacuum. . It falls, but sparkled with momentum hits for himself .. because a large force was driven to such behavior. Of course, between the wings should give solid struts, which will determine the distance between them, chosen in the laboratory and Unclassifiable biggest Underpressure .. Then the vacuum should enter into the slit inside the wings of NACA FELIKS and further from the center of the wings for the help of some pipes, where we will be the most comfortable .. Of course at the end of the pipes have to give some engines vacuum, for example, a simple turbine, or a vane pump working as a motor ....

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