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As Martin Whitmarsh put it, the job of the tyre supplier is a "thankless task".
They can supply tyres that last forever or tyres that last a few laps. The reality is that neither extreme nor anything in between will please everyone. All we do know is that Pirelli were asked to make these tyres, and maybe the reality is that they have achieved their design brief. |
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So driving talent will be a real determinant! Not! Great the true era of the pay drivers has arrived! Complete lack of talent will be rewarded on a regular basis. Still think that passing will be the real problem though. Isn't there a designated area of operation only on the main straight, so the passing option will happen once a lap and will either be a blow by or not at all. It has to be more interesting than it was, but still not motor racing. |
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Lewis thinks they suck too: http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsp...ory/42407.html
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It would be interesting to hear your suggestion for a 'spec' tyre. Careful now. |
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"The first run - I didn't think I was pushing very hard - and the tyres were finished after nine laps, down to the canvas." Lewis Hamilton. Dare we mention wear now? |
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None of the 3 statements has any real bearing on the tyre situation though. |
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We can mention it with regards to McLarens car. Red Bull, Ferrari, STR, Renault, Sauber and Williams have no such problems (See lap times on page 18).
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I cant help but think that the McLaren is just a too long a wheelbase to be quick.
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Well there appears to be something amiss (probably a lack of downforce) if it's chewing its tyres up faster than any other car. Could be a bit too late to be making any drastic changes to the cars chassis.
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Inconsistent tyres do not reward racing talent! They penalise racing/dicing and reward a preservation parade by artificially promoting backmarkers up the order, making it easy to employ pay drivers! |
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I think it has probably more to do with LHs driving style than anything else.
And its pretty obvious that adding high wear tyres to F1 will penalise the top drivers, thats the whole point. If they benefitted the top drivers the race outcomes would become more predictable, ala MS early 2000s, just driving off into the distance. It would be very bad for F1 if they introduced regulations that benefitted the top drivers / teams more than it benefitted the less talented drivers / smaller teams. |
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monaco is just 1 race in 18 or 19. i would happily design a dog for 1 race if it was awesome in the rest (not that the McLaren looks like it'll be awesome anywhere.
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General consensus is that the McLaren lacks downforce.
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If you were to pick a corner type and say right "this is what we will be turning left or right around this year", 20-30 years ago it would have been, flat out sweeping fast turns. If you were to say today, I would say it was "tight 2nd gear corners". There has to be more slow corners now in F1 than there were decade or more back. Shorter cars like slow corners.
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It's all about packaging though, isn't it? Where do you put the KERS? Sidepods or between the fuel tank and engine? Do you need it at all?
Red Bull have KERS too, but you wouldn't think so just by looking at that compared to the McLaren. I also seem to remember that it was the cars that were better in the high speed corners that came out best last season. A quote from Ross Brawn at the 2010 Barcelona GP. Mercedes boss Ross Brawn broke down exactly how the Red Bull is setting such unreachable lap times in qualifying trim, “We can see where they are quick,” he said.”Turn 9, the high speed corner, they are quite exceptional through. It’s high speed corners and this is a track where there are lots of high speed corners. That’s their strength." |
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Indeed. Red Bull did not consider their car would be quickest at all the races in 2010 - just quickest at enough circuits over the season.....
Where the combination of corners at a given circuit did not suit their advantage, they expected to be second/third best to other teams. |
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An interesting quote from Paul Hembrey at the last day of the Barcelona test:
"In terms of degradation that's a straight line relationship with wear. That has been much greater than what you will see when we get to the warm conditions. We could change. Ultimately, if the public perceive us as a bad product we can go more extreme and make a tyre that stays the same for the whole race, doesn't degrade, doesn't do anything. We were asked to do something different, which is very challenging and far more difficult than to do it the other way. To make a tyre last 25 laps, which is what we're talking for a two-stop strategy - you want to force the changes for pitstops. If you take Canada from last year as an example, that's the type of thing we're trying to get. It's much easier to make a tyre that lasts all day." If the public do perceive Pirelli to be a bad product, should they then take the easy way out? |
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I would much rather see a great driver drive off into the distance than a mediocre player win a game of chance. The FIA have already skewed all the legislation against the lesser teams by making aero so dominant and not allowing them to test which makes corporate knowledge and experience all important, both of which are difficult in a new team. How many pay riders are there in MotoGP? We all know why don't we? I think Pirelli should bring the tyre that remains consistant throughout the race () and the FIA should get its regulations right! |
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