GT3: ACO style - Page 12

Enduranceracer · 18 Oct 2023, 01:53 (Ref:4181888)

So is this confirmation of the Toyota/Lexus GT3?

https://www.autosport.com/supergt/ne...seat/10533692/

NaBUru38 · 18 Oct 2023, 15:05 (Ref:4181931)

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Originally Posted by veeten

It's also the reason you won't see either MB or Audi at WEC races, since both don't have a Hypercar coming. They will be at other races and series, just not WEC.

It's not. Motorpasión has no access to manufacturer people, just the press releases.

Bcarr6 · 23 Oct 2023, 13:41 (Ref:4182627)

AKKA ASP at the Goodyear with a Lexus RCF, guess thats the pick for the Toyota/Lexus GT3 WEC entry

**joeb** · 23 Oct 2023, 15:43 (Ref:4182649)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

AKKA ASP at the Goodyear with a Lexus RCF, guess thats the pick for the Toyota/Lexus GT3 WEC entry

That is what had been stated in the news, but no official announcement as far as I know.

Interesting that this is the same car that ran 3 years ago in Fanatic

https://www.endurance-info.com/auto/...endre-la-piste

veeten · 23 Oct 2023, 20:17 (Ref:4182681)

A whole bunch of cars testing this week. Stand by for videos on YouTube this week...

**chunterer** · 23 Oct 2023, 22:28 (Ref:4182699)

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Originally Posted by joeb

That is what had been stated in the news, but no official announcement as far as I know.

Interesting that this is the same car that ran 3 years ago in Fanatic

https://www.endurance-info.com/auto/...endre-la-piste

What, one of the Emil Frey cars??

They were good and getting better, was always a big loss when Frey stopped running them

Bcarr6 · 24 Oct 2023, 10:13 (Ref:4182749)

Seems like we could see something like this for the 2024 grid, havent even thought about any confirmed drivers yet. Will fill that out soon

FIA WEC 2024 - 36/36 Cars

HYPERCAR - 18 Cars

AF Corse - Ferrari 499P LMH - TBC / TBC
AF Corse - Ferrari 499P LMH - TBC / TBC
Alpine ELF Team - Alpine A424 LMDh - TBC / TBC
Alpine ELF Team - Alpine A424 LMDh - TBC / TBC
BMW Team WRT - BMW M Hybrid V8 LMDh - TBC / TBC
BMW Team WRT - BMW M Hybrid V8 LMDh - TBC / TBC
Chip Ganassi Racing - Cadillac V-Series. R LMDh - TBC / TBC
Isotta Fraschini Corsa - Isotta Fraschini Tipo 6 LMH - TBC / TBC
Iron Lynx - Lamborghini SC63 LMDh - TBC / TBC
JOTA Team Hertz - Porsche 963 LMDh - TBC / TBC
JOTA Team Hertz - Porsche 963 LMDh - TBC / TBC
Porsche Penske Motorsport - Porsche 963 LMDh - TBC / TBC
Porsche Penske Motorsport - Porsche 963 LMDh - TBC / TBC
Peugeot TotalEnergies - Peugeot 9X6 LMH - TBC / TBC
Peugeot TotalEnergies - Peugeot 9X6 LMH - TBC / TBC
Proton Competition - Porsche 963 LMDh - TBC / TBC
Toyota Gazoo Racing - Toyota GR010 LMH - TBC / TBC
Toyota Gazoo Racing - Toyota GR010 LMH - TBC / TBC

LMGT3 - 18 Cars

AF Corse - Ferrari 296 GT3 - Sophia Mann / TBC
AF Corse - Ferrari 296 GT3 - Thomas Flohr / TBC
AKKA ASP - Lexus RC F GT3 - TBC / TBC
AKKA ASP - Lexus RC F GT3 - TBC / TBC
BMW Team WRT - BMW M4 GT3 - Valentino Rossi / TBC
BMW Team WRT - BMW M4 GT3 - TBC / TBC
Heart of Racing - Aston Martin Vantage GT3 - TBC / TBC
Heart of Racing - Aston Martin Vantage GT3 - TBC / TBC
Iron Lynx - Lamborghini Huracan GT3 - TBC / TBC
Iron Lynx - Lamborghini Huracan GT3 - TBC / TBC
Manthey Racing - Porsche 911 GT3 R - TBC / TBC
Manthey Racing - Porsche 911 GT3 R - TBC / TBC
Proton Competition - Ford Mustang GT3 - TBC / TBC
Proton Competition - Ford Mustang GT3 - TBC / TBC
TF Sport - Corvette Z06 GT3.R - TBC / TBC
TF Sport - Corvette Z06 GT3.R - TBC / TBC
United Autosports - Mclaren 720s GT3 - TBC / TBC
United Autosports - Mclaren 720s GT3 - TBC / TBC

Losing out:

Vanwall
Mercedes
Honda
Audi

Matador · 24 Oct 2023, 11:24 (Ref:4182758)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

That is what had been stated in the news, but no official announcement as far as I know.

Interesting that this is the same car that ran 3 years ago in Fanatic

https://www.endurance-info.com/auto/...endre-la-piste

Well. That escalated quickly.

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/a...exus/10537160/

veeten · 25 Oct 2023, 11:00 (Ref:4182923)

Pirelli is stepping up with their 'new-for-'25' GT3 competition tire.

https://www.sportscar365.com/industr...-tire-in-2025/

broadrun96 · 25 Oct 2023, 11:59 (Ref:4182933)

That's an SRO and others tire, LMGT3 will use Goodyear I believe as the spec tire

v8supes · 29 Oct 2023, 10:41 (Ref:4183508)

Interesting that the Audi present at the Portimao goodyear tests was Audis own car and that Sainteloc were just providing technical support.

**FIRE** · 29 Oct 2023, 12:59 (Ref:4183527)

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Originally Posted by v8supes

Interesting that the Audi present at the Portimao goodyear tests was Audis own car and that Sainteloc were just providing technical support.

With also people from Audi involved.
Of course it's still 2023 but I was surprised to read that.

**joeb** · 30 Oct 2023, 16:57 (Ref:4183737)

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Originally Posted by v8supes

Interesting that the Audi present at the Portimao goodyear tests was Audis own car and that Sainteloc were just providing technical support.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE

With also people from Audi involved.
Of course it's still 2023 but I was surprised to read that.

DSC had an article this morning that Sainteloc and Audi are attempting a WEC entry for 2024

https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/...-2024-wec.html

Long shot for sure given the grid space limits, but should any team falter leading up to selection, they look to be ready to step in.

broadrun96 · 30 Oct 2023, 19:33 (Ref:4183760)

Well and be smart, partner with a French team?

**FIRE** · 31 Oct 2023, 11:17 (Ref:4183831)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Well and be smart, partner with a French team?

Matador · 3 Nov 2023, 00:04 (Ref:4184111)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Seems like we could see something like this for the 2024 grid, havent even thought about any confirmed drivers yet. Will fill that out soon

LMGT3 - 18 Cars

AF Corse - Ferrari 296 GT3 - Sophia Mann / TBC
AF Corse - Ferrari 296 GT3 - Thomas Flohr / TBC
AKKA ASP - Lexus RC F GT3 - TBC / TBC
AKKA ASP - Lexus RC F GT3 - TBC / TBC
BMW Team WRT - BMW M4 GT3 - Valentino Rossi / TBC
BMW Team WRT - BMW M4 GT3 - TBC / TBC
Heart of Racing - Aston Martin Vantage GT3 - TBC / TBC
Heart of Racing - Aston Martin Vantage GT3 - TBC / TBC
Iron Lynx - Lamborghini Huracan GT3 - TBC / TBC
Iron Lynx - Lamborghini Huracan GT3 - TBC / TBC
Manthey Racing - Porsche 911 GT3 R - TBC / TBC
Manthey Racing - Porsche 911 GT3 R - TBC / TBC
Proton Competition - Ford Mustang GT3 - TBC / TBC
Proton Competition - Ford Mustang GT3 - TBC / TBC
TF Sport - Corvette Z06 GT3.R - TBC / TBC
TF Sport - Corvette Z06 GT3.R - TBC / TBC
United Autosports - Mclaren 720s GT3 - TBC / TBC
United Autosports - Mclaren 720s GT3 - TBC / TBC

Losing out:

Vanwall
Mercedes
Honda
Audi

Quote:

The Heart of Racing is still planning for a single-car Aston Martin Vantage LMGT3 entry next year according to team principal Ian James, who has ruled out an expansion to two cars in the WEC. Sportscar365 understands that D’station Racing is likely to field the second Aston should the British manufacturer receive entry confirmation from the WEC selection committee.

I actually expected this might be the case

Bcarr6 · 3 Nov 2023, 11:26 (Ref:4184157)

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Originally Posted by Matador

I actually expected this might be the case

Be great to see D'Station continue

Coach Ep · 7 Nov 2023, 13:21 (Ref:4184978)

Non WEC GT3 brands excluded from LM and ELMS:

https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/...yOgEiD35BG4JAM

The series sure has a talent for alienating their core fanbase. How hard can it be to add a 10th car to the BPO round-and-round? There's plenty of data and if that weren't enough (in case of updated models for instance), there is always the option of having LM24 auto invites run a pre LM race in either WEC or ELMS.

And expect Asian LMS to go a similar route next season.

broadrun96 · 7 Nov 2023, 15:27 (Ref:4185011)

I could understand LM, ok you aren't in the main show why get the big race one off. Fair enough, and it is the BIG show. BUT, ELMS??? Are they really in a place to make that same rule work?

We get what 18 entries so assuming 2 per that's 9. Folks are gonna be left out and you've now forced them to IMSA or SRO and IMSA wouldn't have the Bronze perk of LM cause you're in the wrong car. Seems to be squarely at MB and McLaren to build our rules or take your toys. There are enough other series that MB could still make plenty and be elsewhere. But they would have a GREAT argument about why Ford and not them. MB, McLaren, Nissan, Bentley have all made GT3 cars from before Ford came and after they left and sold them. Why let the flavor of the month pop in and out with a car that's not really available even in the Ecoboost models for most stops on the WEC??

Akrapovic · 7 Nov 2023, 15:59 (Ref:4185018)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

I could understand LM, ok you aren't in the main show why get the big race one off. Fair enough, and it is the BIG show. BUT, ELMS??? Are they really in a place to make that same rule work?

We get what 18 entries so assuming 2 per that's 9. Folks are gonna be left out and you've now forced them to IMSA or SRO and IMSA wouldn't have the Bronze perk of LM cause you're in the wrong car. Seems to be squarely at MB and McLaren to build our rules or take your toys. There are enough other series that MB could still make plenty and be elsewhere. But they would have a GREAT argument about why Ford and not them. MB, McLaren, Nissan, Bentley have all made GT3 cars from before Ford came and after they left and sold them. Why let the flavor of the month pop in and out with a car that's not really available even in the Ecoboost models for most stops on the WEC??

I guess they're expecting ELMS LMP2 to expand since the WEC LMP2s are being unceremoniously booted out of the series so need to go somewhere. So then they can restricted the number of GT3s more.

A huge amount of established teams like JMW are going to lose out because they're not a factory team.

Coach Ep · 7 Nov 2023, 16:02 (Ref:4185019)

ELMS is heavily oversubscribed as well so not many spots for GTs there either, perhaps 10-12. Those can easily be filled with 1 or 2 cars each from most of the WEC GT entrants (Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Lambo, Aston and possibly Ford, McLaren, Corvette. Not expecting Lexus).

Nevertheless, it's another step towards eliminating diversity.

And IMSA is oversubscribed as well.

If MB and Audi want in, they'll have to start exploring a Hypercar program (Audi could take the dust of their stillborn LMDh if the board decides to make an U-turn on their F1 ambitions).

Of course, WEC/ACO could just try a bit harder to expand their grids (both WEC and ELMS) to accommodate more cars/manufacturers. The WEC grid needs to be expanded for 2025 anyway.

v8supes · 7 Nov 2023, 16:26 (Ref:4185021)

What a dreadful decision, honestly just shambolic.

S griffin · 7 Nov 2023, 16:53 (Ref:4185026)

Very short sighted decision. We’ve always loved seeing teams having a one off at LM. This is not going to be very popular

Steve McQ · 7 Nov 2023, 16:53 (Ref:4185027)

I agree this makes no sense. You could perfectly use ELMS rounds to create a BoP for non WEC cars. Furthermore, GT3 is a BoP class which means there is plenty of data regarding the performance of ANY GT3 homologated car as soon as it hits the ground running.

RL17 · 7 Nov 2023, 19:08 (Ref:4185039)

agree on bad decision - why go GT3 and then restrict ELMS entries especially or restrict LM entries. What better way to draw more manufacturers into WEC/LM?

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