Rules Future Rule Changes - Page 129

GasperG · 23 Aug 2018, 10:07 (Ref:3845520)

100% agree with @Akrapovic

@Casper, home charging and fast charging will be the main hurdle for faster EV adoption, meanwhile hybrids will be replacing normal ICE cars, because Hybrid can be a mechanical simplification for meeting future emissions standards. To put it differently, NA petrol hybrid will be (or already is) cheaper than turbo diesel, with DPF, SCR and double clutch transmission. Hybrids basically are a future ICE cars, for people living in homes without dedicated parking spaces and charging infrastructure.

F1Guy · 23 Aug 2018, 10:20 (Ref:3845521)

Wow, how off topic has this gone? Maybe we need another thread in another part of the forum to discuss the future EV/Hybrid era, and leave this thread to discuss the topic in the title? No??

Back on topic, news suggest the 2021 engine rule change may not go ahead after all. A rethink of the changes, and a evolution of the current engine is the most likely outcome.

This backflip was almost certainly on the cards once no new manufacturers had committed to enter the series.

Mike Bell · 23 Aug 2018, 10:26 (Ref:3845523)

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadrun96

The Volt is closer to a true hybrid with a different charging system and ability to turn off the engine entirely. It still uses the engine to drive the wheels as well as the electric generator. The i3 and I believe i8 both use the engines purely to drive the electric generator without any mechanical connection to the drive line.

The i3's 2 cylinder motorcycle engine is used as a pure generator only, not the case in the i8. It uses a 3 cylinder petrol Mini engine as main power with electric motor boost for extra performance, while also giving limited range pure electric use. So a 'plug in' hybrid. (The batteries can be charged like a pure EV's)

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadrun96

no one other than Tesla had said EV only, they're all covering all their bases with at the very least hybrid and EVs.

Yes, most big European manufacturers at least are covering all the bases, from 48 volt 'mild hybrid' assistance to pure EV. My guess is they sense a certain amount of resistance from buyers to going 'pure', so by offering hybrid drivetrains they are reducing their emissions ratings to satisfy ever more demanding legislation, while helping educate buyers.

In the UK at least, the well publicised announcement regarding a 2040 deadline for 'banning the sale of fossil fuel powered cars' still isn't banning the sale of hybrids- at the moment

, so expect them to be still being designed and manufactured for a while yet.....

Mike Bell · 23 Aug 2018, 10:28 (Ref:3845525)

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Wow, how off topic has this gone? Maybe we need another thread in another part of the forum to discuss the future EV/Hybrid era, and leave this thread to discuss the topic in the title? No??

One for the F1 moderators to decide.....

F1Guy · 28 Aug 2018, 11:36 (Ref:3846712)

So rear wings are to be higher in 2019 then.

I like the height the rear wings are at currently. The cars look much better than the previous rear wings, which were introduced in '09.
The '09-'16 rear wings were just too damn high. Probably as high as the people who came up with the '09 aero rules!!

crmalcolm · 28 Aug 2018, 12:03 (Ref:3846713)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

So rear wings are to be higher in 2019 then.

Source?

How much higher, are they wider, is DRS affected?

Hard to discuss the matter, if we don't have the full information to hand.....

Akrapovic · 28 Aug 2018, 12:59 (Ref:3846717)

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...rrors/3166804/

More info here.

S griffin · 28 Aug 2018, 14:03 (Ref:3846725)

If it means less downforce again, I'm for it

crmalcolm · 28 Aug 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3846735)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...rrors/3166804/

More info here.

Thanks for the link.

Quote:

Originally Posted by S griffin

If it means less downforce again, I'm for it

The article suggests the wings will also be wider and deeper - so more downforce. But, a more effective DRS as a result.

VIVA GT · 28 Aug 2018, 15:06 (Ref:3846740)

Sorry, I've not read the article yet but will this also help other cars to follow more closely as the wing is higher?

crmalcolm · 28 Aug 2018, 15:14 (Ref:3846741)

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Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Sorry, I've not read the article yet but will this also help other cars to follow more closely as the wing is higher?

It seems like a flaw in the design - but I guess the truth will be seen on track.

In theory, a wider and deeper wing will mean the air has been worked harder and so reduce the following car's performance. But once they get within the DRS zone, they should be able to catch and pass easier as the effect will be greater.

VIVA GT · 28 Aug 2018, 16:06 (Ref:3846746)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

It seems like a flaw in the design - but I guess the truth will be seen on track.

In theory, a wider and deeper wing will mean the air has been worked harder and so reduce the following car's performance. But once they get within the DRS zone, they should be able to catch and pass easier as the effect will be greater.

Giving with one hand and taking away again with the other. Seems like another FOM cock up then!

**bjohnsonsmith** · 28 Aug 2018, 16:21 (Ref:3846747)

Not only will the rear wing be different but there will be changes to the front wing, as well as the front break ducts.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...-aero-changes/

crmalcolm · 28 Aug 2018, 16:44 (Ref:3846750)

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Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Giving with one hand and taking away again with the other. Seems like another FOM cock up then!

Although it has to be remembered that the new wing is for safety purposes, not to improve racing.
If it makes the cars safer, it achieves its purpose - even if the racing suffers as a result.

chillibowl · 29 Aug 2018, 15:01 (Ref:3846896)

and while Liberty may be dealing with the venues in a better way, they are still struggling to come up with ideas to tighten up the racing.

the length of the DRS zones in Russia, Austin, Brazil, and Abu Dhabi will be increased for the upcoming races.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...166260/?nrt=54

granted there is not much else they can do and DRS is certainly an issue that divides...my personal feeling is that it wont make much of a difference.

imo, any potential benefits in tightening up the field will be off set as the season winds down and most teams shift towards conserving power, reducing their willingness to spend any more for this season, and basically just try to hold station.

i do hope i am wrong on that though, and do have some hope that the unintended consequence of taking away Force India's 2018 points could mean we see a reignited late season battle in the mid field as the new entity tries to move back up the table.

S griffin · 29 Aug 2018, 16:21 (Ref:3846912)

The sooner we get rid of DRS and have cars that can actually follow closely, the better

MissClarrpz · 1 Sep 2018, 09:50 (Ref:3847371)

Hopefully we can get cars that can actually follow closely by 2021 but DRS could still be used. I think having it on a small straight just before the main straight would be good. It gives a possible chance in a usually non-passing place and can help get a car closer to the slip stream for the main straight. Eg, final straight before start/finish straight in Bahrain, between T10 and T11 China leading onto back straight, into the hairpin in Montreal etc.

If we can go back to no DRS that is better but I would be very happy with this if racing needs a little (note little) nudge to improve

Armco Bender · 1 Sep 2018, 10:11 (Ref:3847372)

GP2 has exciting close racing with loads of passing,while F1 is as boring as bat ****.
Simply make GP2 the new F1 all problems solved.

S griffin · 2 Sep 2018, 09:38 (Ref:3847553)

More power than grip is what we need

Mekola · 2 Sep 2018, 10:41 (Ref:3847563)

Anybody in this forum knows I'm still fan of Nigel Mansell???

**bjohnsonsmith** · 2 Sep 2018, 23:29 (Ref:3847761)

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Originally Posted by Mekola

Anybody in this forum knows I'm still fan of Nigel Mansell???

The Tiffosi called him Il Leone, when he drove for Ferrari.

wolfhound · 5 Sep 2018, 22:01 (Ref:3848403)

It seems as though Liberty's original plans for F1 are being slowly watered down.
It now seems that the budget cap will start at $200 million and to reduce to $150 million. The power units will likely be much the same but we will get 18 inch (457mm) wheels. There are to be new chassis regs as well but there is little about them as yet.

https://www.racefans.net/2018/09/05/...sual-f1-fudge/

S griffin · 5 Sep 2018, 22:17 (Ref:3848405)

So what else is new there?

EffectiveSprinkles · 5 Sep 2018, 22:52 (Ref:3848408)

Anyone else hear a faint noise in the background? Sounds like a certain song by the Who maybe?

**bjohnsonsmith** · 5 Sep 2018, 22:58 (Ref:3848409)

Quote:

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

Anyone else hear a faint noise in the background? Sounds like a certain song by the Who maybe?

Pinball Wizard?

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