Special Saloon/Super Saloon Register

[big andy]

so what year/s did he race the sc100?

[driftwood]

i have just read sept 79 AS and Humberstone has done a lydden libre race in march 713
he was already racing Imps in 78 79
first car was steel shell Fg panels
then he had 1300 bda spaceframe stilletto circa 80-81 then the next car was the Suzu SC100 and that would have been 83 ish
he did his car first with mk9 gearbox and teh bike gearbox so he had 30 odd gears!
John Schnieder built his version for 84/5 ish with the bike gearbox only
The Bowlby car was later more like 87/88 ish

[big andy]

john Schnieder built his version for 84/5 ish

is this the one with ralt corners now as a 1300cc ford crossflow and raced by neil claxton in the north?

http://www.ianhardy.net/gallery/main...2_itemId=31884

[John D Wood]

Here’s another pic this time from Thruxton 1981 I genuinely do not know the other cars this time so feel free. The boss never went any further south than Mallory so she will not be giving her input this time!

[driftwood]

blue yellow Imp to rear is Mike Law
the white car i recall it but cant think for sure if its sue davis 850cc maguire bodywork Imp she had or if its a 1 litre car
show me a programme for the event

The claxton SC100 could be the schneider car it was green when John had it
as far as i am aware only 3 SC100 cars where built in the 80`s
Humberstone
schneider
Bowlby

[John D Wood]

I didn't keep any programmes, stupid now but you didn't think you would want them again, at the time you were getting one every week-end.

[driftwood]

i kept some programmes from some events but i know what you mean about keeping them and where do you store them? bad enough keeping autosports for 40 years

[John D Wood]

Don't know if anybody is interested but here are 2 photos of the escort one without the body and cage on. The chassis photo is as it was raced by Derrick with the Hewland box, I cut this bit off even though Derick said "it was the best bit" as I already had the ex DFV Capri Jack Knight box and didn't want the extra complications.


Body on





Body off

[driftwood]

so where did you fit the gearbox? at the rear as axle diff or onto the engine at the front?

[col rooney]

David Hall had a sc100 with imp engine in middle or as far into the middle as you could get it in 1 of them

Yes white imp is sue davis


col

[John D Wood]

On to the engine at the front

[allenbrown]

I have now established that the former Jim Evans Skoda Special Saloon was returned to Chevron shape for the Thundersports race at Brands Hatch on 22 July 1984.

Entrant was Fred Cowell Racing and drivers were Barrie 'Whizzo' Williams and John Salisbury. I think Salisbury was owner. Entry lists say he was from Oxton, near Birkenhead.

Anyone know how I might contact Salisbury or Cowell?

[Elan732]

Hi- I am new to this thread
The Tony Sugden Esprit was built by Jim Evans with a new tub and March 762 suspension (from Jim's Ex Sayers 762 Hart). It was firstly fitted with a turbo FVC or BDA - can't remember but I could check. First event was Donington German Group5 race - qualified 4th but DNF. Ludvig won in the Zakspeed Capri.
Tony then took over the car and eventually it became his Skoda.

The 74S DFV (advertised as a project in AS )became Jimmy Robertson's Skoda with the GAA 3.4 ( Robertson had previously owned Jim's Escort Turbo

[driftwood]

thanks we have the data long time back there are 2 or 3 threads on special saloons
i think 2 have been merged it will be worth your while trolling through every thread and post to catch up as some cars have been discussed often and some nice photos posted as well 1 thread has half a triple C article from 74? posted on the super saloons

762#11 ex khausen team car bought as a write off from paul Gardiner corners used to build the Esprit with Turbo motor fitted chassis by john leek
car later was turned into a skoda
suggie later had another car built the last car he was racing
he also raced Chevron b23 skoda Jim Price`s car

March 74s#6 ex Argylle engineering car used 1 season only written off by Richard Simms
later bought as a wreck b peter bloore fully rebuilt circa 1991 back as 74s
sold 2004/5 to peter dunn who raced it in sports car events now sold to Nicolet in france winter 2008

[oneofapair]

Just found some pics from lydden. Not sure of date but meeting /race was the Barry Reece memorial, lots of special saloons competing . As i remember good race long tussle for lead betweein Rob Mason driving the Laser transport stiletto of Ernie Wood and Tony Davies in his "old nail" Firenza. Can't remember who won though,there was an SC100 in the race, I'm pretty certain its John Schneiders car. (Pic attache) Not very good but may give an idea as to who now owns it.

[driftwood]

if car was green its Johns car i think race meeting was 82 or 83
Barry Reece had huge accident in his very smart Maguire stilletto at Coombes Camp corner sustained serious head injuries as he didnt have crutch strap and slide down

off top of my head he lived for another 12-18 months before surcumbing to his injuries

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by driftwood

thanks we have the data long time back
...
March 74s#6 ex Argylle engineering car used 1 season only written off by Richard Simms
later bought as a wreck b peter bloore fully rebuilt circa 1991 back as 74s
sold 2004/5 to peter dunn who raced it in sports car events now sold to Nicolet in france winter 2008

I don't think we understand the 74S as well as you think we do. It was, as Elan732 say, Jimmy Robertson's Skoda and I don't see anything about Simms racing it. Iain McLaren advertised it in 1980 and 1981 but I don't know what happened to it next.

[driftwood]

Simms shunted the car at croft chicane Peter Bloore bought it from him
Simms raced 3.4 Ga skoda car that is the Robertson car!

[John D Wood]

Originally Posted by driftwood

if car was green its Johns car i think race meeting was 82 or 83
Barry Reece had huge accident in his very smart Maguire stilletto at Coombes Camp corner sustained serious head injuries as he didnt have crutch strap and slide down

off top of my head he lived for another 12-18 months before surcumbing to his injuries

As far as I remember Barry drove an 850 Maguire Mini, not stiletto, he had a 5 point harness, as did we all, so he would have been wearing a crutch strap. Barry’s death haunts me to this day; I was a good friend of his and not racing at Castle Coombe that day. Someone phoned me that night and told me he had had a shunt and been taken in to Frenchey Hospital, not realising how serious his injuries were, I sent him a light hearted card saying some people will do anything to get into Autosport, as I said it still haunts me.

[driftwood]

it was a stilletto ISIS sponsoered him i car was lime Green
he did race a maquire mini prior to the Stilleto

[Alan Brown]

In 1971 it was proposed that there should be no hybrids in club saloon racing and gearboxes should remain in the production location. The former idea was dropped in late 1971 but the latter was kept for 1973. Hence the Norman Abbott/Tate of Leeds (Chris Meek) car was to be rebuilt with the Hewland FT200 being adapted to drive straight from the engine via a twin-plate clutch, leaving the diff at the rear (and the FVA to be replaced by a Felday F2 BDA, presumably 1973 cc) (MN 15-2-73)


Jeff Allam (Allam Motor Services) – Viva GT 2.0/2.3
Peter Baldwin – Mini 1.0 BMC and Ford engines
Andy Barton – Mini Cosworth SCA 1.0
Mike Beckett – Anglia 1000 – ex-Broadspeed Gp 5 with a Novamotor head
Sedric Bell – Mini-Holbay Ford 997 and 16-valve Gordon Allen 997 BDA
Warren Booth – Escort 3.0
Keith Bowmaker (Autotune) – Escort V8 Ford 4.7 (or 5.0) – Sunbeam Tiger gearbox, Jaguar Mk 10 rear axle
Dave Bray (Yarbspeed) – Escort 1.8 or 1.9 BDA (mainly hill climbs and sprints but some races)
Ralph Bryans – Escort 1.3 BDA (also in Ireland)
John Calvert – Escort 1950 or 1.8 BDA
Phil Clark(e) – Firenza 2.3
Dave Coleman – Escort FVA 1.6
Owen Corrigan (Lido Garage) – Anglia 1000 BRM
Bill Cox – Capri Chrysler V8 6.2
Brian Cox – Mini Clubman 1.3 BDA – later Peter Kitchen
Mike Crabtree (Willment) – Group 2 Escort with 2.1 engine
Brian Cutting – Escort Martin V8 3.0
Brian Davidson (Drake & Fletcher) – Viva GT 2.3 [Is this the same car as Tony Whibley?]
Brian Davis – Escort 1.3 BDA
Tony Dickinson – Escort 1.3
Bill Dryden (SMT) – Firenza 2.2/2.3 (16V twin cam Jensen-Healey)
Ray Edge – Mini-Ford 1.0
John Elliott (Allam Motor Services) – Viva GT 2.2 – team-mate of Jeff Allam
Jim Evans – Escort 1.3 – for sale (racing Escort, ex-Norman Hodgson, downdraught, dry-sumped 1300, £1250, Camblesforth (Yorks) MN 20-9-73, any offers, J Evans, Camblesforth MN 18-10-73)
Bob Fox – Mini Clubman 1.3 all alloy twin cam built by Speed Sport conversions
John Fyda – Agra Imp-Ford 1.0
Don Gilham – Mini Clubman-Ford 1.6
Graham Goode – Anglia 1000
Monty Guildford – Mini-Climax 849
Colin Hawker (Toleman’s Delivery Services) – Capri with DFV (ex Tyrrell) sat well back into the modified bulkhead, Jack Knight 5-speed box, Taunus rear axle (MN 9-8-73)
Tony Hazlewood (+ brother Gerry) – DAF 55 Coupe Buick/Olds/Rover V8 4.3
Mick Hill – 4.7 Boss Capri (74th win at Silverstone MN 14-6-73)
Sequence of owners (MN 9-8-73) Mick Hill – Tony “Monkey” Brown – Eddie Regan (raced in Ireland) – Tony “Monkey” Brown – Gerry Marshall – Tony Strawson
Mick Hill (Tricentrol) – 6.0 (Holman & Moody – TJ fuel injection – 530 bhp) Boss Capri – debuted at Silverstone July 1973
John Hipkiss – Mini-Ford 1.0
John Hipkiss – Riley Elf/Clubman 1.3 BDA
(same car?)
David Howes – A M C Javelin 6.4 (Grp 2?), 550 bhp – also quoted as 7.5
Dave Hunt (Automania) – Ford Popular E93A body on an Elan +2 chassis with 1300 BDA (Hillthorne Engineering) was being built – fibreglass front, wings and boot, with the rest of the body in alloy panels – Jack Knight 5-speed box (MN 9-8-73). Did it race?
Derek Huntley – Escort 1.8 Abbott FVC – Jack Knight 5-speed box and Taunus rear axle – all steel-bodied – collapsed and died in the paddock at Snetterton in October
Colin James – Escort Martin V8 3.0
Barry Jones – Anglia 1000 BRM – ex-MacDonald/Turner
Moto Kitano (ex-Honda rider) – Datsun Sunny 1.3 – Grp 2 and also lightened for Special Saloons (also Alec Poole in Special Saloon form [1.3 and 1320] and Masahiro Hasemi in Grp 2 form)
Peter Kitchen (ex-Brian Cox) – Mini Clubman BDA 1.3
Jeremy Lawrence – Viva
Graham Lloyd – Mini-Ford 1.0
Richard Long – Anglia 1000 Cosworth MAE (engine for sale late 1973)
George Lynn – Cortina Mk 1 Rover/Buick V8 3.5 – black – “gruesome” (MN 21-6-73)
Jeff Mann and Tony Mann (brothers) – Anglia 1700 Abbottised-BRM twin cam
Gerry Marshall – Firenza 2.3 16-valve Lotus head
Gerry Marshall (DTV) – Ventora (Big Bertha) – unveiled in October at the London Hilton Hotel – Bill Blydenstein-built with V8 Repco-Holden 5.0 alloy engine (495 bhp claimed) – “built with the 1976 Silhouette formula in mind” (MN 4-10-73)
Dave “Aloysius” McCloy – Escort 2.0 twin cam
Chris Meek (Tate of Leeds) – Escort 1.8 BDA – ex Doug Niven
For sale – XOO 3436F Escort rolling chassis, ex Alan Mann, Doug Niven, Chris Meek, “a proven winner”, £825, Sheffield (MN 5-7-73)
Chris Meek (Tate of Leeds/Princess Ita) – Escort 1.9 BDE (or 2.0 BDG or 1850 BDA) – Abbott-built
Dave Millington – Firenza 2.2/2.3 – ex-Gerry Marshall – “totalled” at Oulton Park in May
John Myerscough (Westune) – Escort TC 1.8 or 1.6 – ex-Dave Millington
Doug Niven – Escort 5.7 Boss Mustang V8 – ex-Leech Mustang engine – also 4.7 engine and 5.0 Boss
Dennis Nott – Escort-Chevy (engine ex-Nick Williamson - Lucas – later a standard Chevy) – (previously BRM V12) – also Escort 1.8
John Pope – Viva GT 2.3 (ex-Dealer Team Vauxhall)
Tom Powell (Autovita) – Mini-Ford pushrod
Paul Rhodes – Escort ex-Norman Hodgson – 1.8 Crostune twin cam
John Robinson – Escort (lightweight) 1.3 BDA
Joe Russell – Escort 2.0
Peter (Tony?) Shelton – Cortina V8 5.0
Bill Shepherd – A40-Cosworth Ford 1.0
Eric Smith – Mini Clubman 1275GT-Ford 1.3 “1300 BDA head on a basically BMC engine” (MN 2-8-73)
Tony Strawson – 4.7 Boss Capri – ex-Mick Hill
Tony Sugden – Escort TC Abbott 1890
Mike Tamplin – Escort V6
Gerry Taylor – Anglia 1000 – (for sale MN 13-9-73 – 1000 racing Anglia fitted with Cosbay “Special”, quick sale hence £900 ovno, Gerry Taylor, Lichfield or Burton-on-Trent)
Roger Taylor – Escort (Gp 2) 1.7 BDA
Jim Thomson – Firenza 2.3 or 2.5 – hill climbs
Bob Torrie – Escort BDA 1.7
John Turner – Escort Tasman BRM V8 2.0
Richard Turner – Escort 2.0
Stuart Turner – Escort Abbott FVA 2.0 – ex John Fitzpatrick
Terry van der Zee – Escort Rover 3.5s/c
Tony Ward – Escort ex-Tom Jeffrey – 1650 engine from his old Anglia
Denis Welch – Anglia 1600 twin cam
Anthony Whibley (Drake & Fletcher) – Viva GT 2.3
Nick Whiting (All Car Equipe) – Escort 1.6 Brian Hart FVA (fi) (or possibly1.6 BDA) – 5-speed ZF ‘box
Barrie Williams – Datsun Cherry 100A 1.3 (also Alec Poole in Grp 2 form)
Cyd Williams (Tate of Leeds) – Escort Felday BDA 2.0
Vince Woodman (Team Esso Uniflo) – Escort BDA 1.3
David Wragg – 1.0 Mini-Ford rwd
Roy Yates – Zodiac Chevy 5.0 or 6.3



For sale
• Racing Escort 3-litre, £950, 0742 (MN 4-1-73)
• Capri V8 Rover 3.5, ready to race or convert to road or rally, £1200 ono, Glossop (MN 5-7-73)
• ‘Ultra competitive special saloon ; this three-quarter finished car has been designed as a special saloon winner in the shape of a 12 cwt V8 Capri; all bits available including Chevrolet engine, one-piece glass front end, lift-off body, space frame with suspension and brakes, Jaguar p/l diff …..will split or £200 ono; the only genuine reason for sale – no more money’ 061 (MN 19-7-73)
• Racing Escort, Holbay twin cam, reputed 180 bhp, £1300, Pete Tester, Southwater (MN 26–7-73)
• 1000 racing Escort, fully lightened, Holbay, £800 or split - rolling chassis £475, engine £325, 01-504 (MN 27-9-73)
• Group 2 Escort 1300, Broadspeed, Hewland 5-speed, 2nd class C 1972 RAC Saloon Car Championship, £1200, Coxtie Green (Essex), (MN 27-9-73)
• Mini Ford-SCA, built 1973, 7 firsts, £1500, and full race Escort complete less engine £650, Wood Lane Garage, Sheffield (MN 27-9-73)
• Full race 100E Pop, space frame chassis weighs 10 cwt, Cosworth 1300, £450 ono, 061 (MN 11-10-73) £300 (MN 28-3-74)
• VMW Motors/Team Esso Uniflo 2-litre Broadspeed Escort leading 2-litre class of British Saloon Car Championship (Group 2) (Andy Rouse) (MN 18-10-73)
• V8 Cortina-Rover special saloon, modified Buick engine, spare Rover engine, £875 ono, Lynn, Annan (MN 25-10-73) £750 ono (MN 21-2-74)
• Circuit/sprint Escort, dry sump Gladwin twin cam, £950, Safety Fast Ltd, Stradishall, Suffolk (MN 25-10-73)
• 1-litre Cosworth MAE Anglia, raced over 3 years, £445, David Ovey (MN 22-11-73), £360 (MN 20-12-73)
• Ultra lightweight Anglia rolling shell, ex-Luton Motor Co, offers, Derek, Warrington (MN 29-11-73) and Ex-Luton Motor Co full race lightweight Anglia, fitted with all alloy Rover V8, V12 Jaguar g/box, £800, Warrington/Culcheth (MN 31-1-74)
• Escort 1.7 BDA (John Robinson 210 bhp), ZF 5-speed, Bob Caig, Borgue (MN 13-12-73)



Ireland

Tony Brennan – Escort (ex Brodie) – 1790 FVC (ex Archie Phillips’ Brabham) (MN 19-7-93)
Ralph Bryans + Crawford Harkness – Escort 1.3 BDA
Des Donnelly – Viva 2.3 – “bore only a nominal resemblance to the marque …. It was said it had set him back five grand” (MN 3-5-73) – LV240 engine
Jim (or John?) Graham – Escort 1990 TC
Mattie McNamara (Amoco) – Escort FVC 1.8/1930 (BDA in 1972 or was it FVA?)
Vinny Moy – Imp-Ford MAE 1.0
Hector Newenham and Alec Poole – Escort 1.8 BDA or 2.0 – ex Fortescue-Thomas
S O’Connor – Anglia 1.6 FVA
Jay O’Malley – Viva 2.3 – ex Des Donnelly
Jack Patterson – Firenza 2.2/2.3 (DTV)
Tom Stafford – Anglia 1.6 twin cam

[Farbrooke]

Des Donnelly – Viva 2.3 – “bore only a nominal resemblance to the marque …. It was said it had set him back five grand” (MN 3-5-73) – LV240 engine

I think you may be mixing two cars here - By the middle of 1973 Des had a new HC bodied Viva - using a brand new shell prepared in Ireland and then shipped to Bill Blydenstein - who built the car Gabriel Konig has today - fitted with the LV240 Lotus 904 engine TJ injection and dry sumped - one of the sister cars (ie same specification) as the famous Gerry Marshall Firenza (old Nail)

The Viva HC prior to this was using a single cam and from the MN 3-5-73 date must be his old car

[allenbrown]

Great work Alan!

[driftwood]

some one has been a busy boy of xmas!
Tony wibley i think was from plymouth west country area somewhere i do have foto of his car circa 76 at Brands
i see some cross over of cars drivers in your list but it would be great to see photos to confirm duplicate cars ie Escort Martin V8 has to be same car not many V8 martin motors built!
Moto Kitano and Hasemi would have been in UK for the International races as in 72 3 4 they where racing Lola T290 B19 sports cars in japan and possibly F2 as well

[Alan Brown]

Originally Posted by Farbrooke

Des Donnelly – Viva 2.3 – “bore only a nominal resemblance to the marque …. It was said it had set him back five grand” (MN 3-5-73) – LV240 engine

I think you may be mixing two cars here - By the middle of 1973 Des had a new HC bodied Viva - using a brand new shell prepared in Ireland and then shipped to Bill Blydenstein - who built the car Gabriel Konig has today - fitted with the LV240 Lotus 904 engine TJ injection and dry sumped - one of the sister cars (ie same specification) as the famous Gerry Marshall Firenza (old Nail)

The Viva HC prior to this was using a single cam and from the MN 3-5-73 date must be his old car

That might well be the case. The reference to the LV240 engine was later in the season, although the MN comment is unusual if it is the "old" car. Jay O'Malley was using an ex-Donnelly Viva at about the same time, or soon after.