Driver Nico vs Michael - Page 13

E.B · 23 Apr 2010, 05:13 (Ref:2678221)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

I had a moment the other day where I just thought "there's no way Michael will stay this far off Nico's pace all season. This is Michael Schumacher! 7-time world champion". So I'll stick my neck out (just look after yours, Michael) and say that he will at least get as good as Rosberg this season. Anyone going to join me?

Not me..... I think that whilst Michaels disappointing performances might improve, then Rosberg's impressive performances will be a thing he will improve upon.

Of course the chance of MS improving by more than Nico is heavily weighted in Michaels favour given the gaps in his performance are greater, but I still believe Rosberg will be the better (faster and more reliable) performer by season end.

phoenix · 23 Apr 2010, 13:04 (Ref:2678414)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

Norbet Haug was hilarious during the post race forum on BBC. "Give us a chance give Michael a chance I am a fan of Michael we need to check the car give him a chance he could have won Australia"

Punctuation intentionally omitted.

He is such a character, I really enjoy listening to him

And I agree with what he says.

I guess we know the real reason why MS got RB's job...

VIVA GT · 23 Apr 2010, 14:37 (Ref:2678472)

As usual, the boys at www.sniffpetrol.com have their comment about this.

(Unfortunately I don't know how to copy / paste the picture onto here, you'll have to look at their website!)

Marbot · 23 Apr 2010, 15:03 (Ref:2678491)

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Schummy · 23 Apr 2010, 15:43 (Ref:2678510)

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Originally Posted by phoenix

I guess we know the real reason why MS got RB's job...

I agree. Brawn smartly hired MS so Nico would have a safe 2nd driver without the potential dangers of a mildly competitive Barrichello (like last season). Ross always prefers a clear number one driver to get focused at.

Even more, MS is great for the media and for Merc's boys. Ross is a genius.

(I'll readily change all my principles if facts prove otherwise

, I just want to be in the sunny side of an argument

[No, I'm not a lawyer] )

Marbot · 23 Apr 2010, 15:57 (Ref:2678523)

Schumi to get longer wheelbase car.

Apparently the cars weight distribution is not right....well, not on Schumi's car anyway.

It is something that became obvious to the team in pre-season testing, so maybe Schumi will be back on the pace before we know it.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-...car-for-spain/

Sodemo · 23 Apr 2010, 16:27 (Ref:2678544)

Great, another bus with a long wheelbase to watch, just wonderful.

**Born Racer** · 23 Apr 2010, 16:41 (Ref:2678556)

Schummy- are you joking?

Brawn hired Schumacher to be a number 2 to Rosberg?!

Marbot · 23 Apr 2010, 17:00 (Ref:2678569)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Great, another bus with a long wheelbase to watch, just wonderful.

All that effort to make the original one as short as possible.....all gone to waste.

Mr V · 23 Apr 2010, 18:44 (Ref:2678632)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Schummy- are you joking?

Brawn hired Schumacher to be a number 2 to Rosberg?!

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing

Schummy · 23 Apr 2010, 20:52 (Ref:2678689)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Schummy- are you joking?

Brawn hired Schumacher to be a number 2 to Rosberg?!

I'm Schummy, obviously I have inside info

**Bononi** · 23 Apr 2010, 21:44 (Ref:2678717)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing

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Originally Posted by Schummy

I'm Schummy, obviously I have inside info

Non-sense... TOGF is not that nice.

phoenix · 25 Apr 2010, 16:08 (Ref:2679415)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Brawn hired Schumacher to be a number 2 to Rosberg?!

Not quite what I meant either. I rather think Brawn hired MS because Norbet Haug is a great fan of his - and Norbet holds the purse strings.....

ralf fan · 25 Apr 2010, 16:12 (Ref:2679417)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Schummy- are you joking?

Brawn hired Schumacher to be a number 2 to Rosberg?!

Well Michael does know what is expected of a number 2 more than most.

herowassenna · 26 Apr 2010, 22:43 (Ref:2680223)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

He didn't have a dominant car in 2003.

The changeable conditions aren't the issue, it's getting on top of the current regulations and current car that is.

1) Admittedly, he didn't have a dominant car like he did in 2002 and 2004 ( 2 years, when incidently, he didn't win Monaco) but he did have the season's best car. It won 50% of races that year... and the 2 World Championships.

2) The F310 from 1996 was a true pig of a car, yet he still won races in it and stuck it on pole. Irvine has been quoted as saying he knows how bad that car was.
Schumi was unbelievable in changeable conditions. I well remember Suzuka 2000, when he trailed Hakkinen but as soon as light rain fell, he was quicker. A pattern repeated many times over the years.
Irrespective of current car and regs, it's strange to see him struggle the way he is.
2005 he had tyres that just would not last a GP distance competitively, (he couldn't compete with Michelin shod cars) yet still was ahead of Barrichello

VIVA GT · 27 Apr 2010, 07:27 (Ref:2680349)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Schumi to get longer wheelbase car.

Apparently the cars weight distribution is not right....well, not on Schumi's car anyway.

It is something that became obvious to the team in pre-season testing, so maybe Schumi will be back on the pace before we know it.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-...car-for-spain/

According to Autosport (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83149) Brawn have a raft of changes planned for Spain including lengthening the wheelbase to improve weight distribution.
Also, TGF is to get a different chassis as his was damaged earlier in the season...

Mr V · 27 Apr 2010, 13:29 (Ref:2680524)

So he has nowhere to hide now.

If Nico is still quicker, it's because he's quicker, plain and simple!

ECW Dan Selby · 27 Apr 2010, 13:44 (Ref:2680530)

Spot on. I have a feeling Nico will still be faster.

Selby

**Born Racer** · 27 Apr 2010, 15:15 (Ref:2680566)

Well, if Nico remains quicker, then Michael is slower than he used to be, because however good Rosberg is, he's nowhere near Schumacher at his peak.

Mr V · 27 Apr 2010, 15:32 (Ref:2680580)

Maybe not, but then, other things have changed too. Michael has a team mate allowed to race him, a team that isn't centered entirely around him, a team that isn't the best out there and more than one "main" competitor. All of which contributed to his phenomenal success.

**chunterer** · 27 Apr 2010, 17:24 (Ref:2680630)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Maybe not, but then, other things have changed too. Michael has a team mate allowed to race him, a team that isn't centered entirely around him, a team that isn't the best out there and more than one "main" competitor. All of which contributed to his phenomenal success.

Yes in summary! Pretty much my thoughts from a page or so back too.

herowassenna · 27 Apr 2010, 18:44 (Ref:2680671)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Maybe not, but then, other things have changed too. Michael has a team mate allowed to race him,

Very true, whether at Benetton or Ferrari, he always had the team bending to his rule. Others couldn't see his telemetry or new bits etc.The annoying part was he was good enough not to need that.

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Originally Posted by Mr V

a team that isn't centered entirely around him,

All teams evolve and revolve around the strongest driver. Senna proved that years ago at Mclaren, Alonso you see doing that at Ferrari. Schumacher at Ferrari was employed by the team to sort the team out and win races and championships. Irvine and RB were employed because Ferrari had to field a second car basically. They paid for the best and expected results.

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Originally Posted by Mr V

a team that isn't the best out there and

I'd suggest that between 1996 and 2000 Ferrrari were not the best team out there. Much of this must be credited to MS, as well as Brawn, Byrne and Todt. Schumi would have identified areas to improve.

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Originally Posted by Mr V

more than one "main" competitor.

Sadly, it's not Schumi's fault he was born in his generation. I don't personally consider Hakkinen a main competitor. He was lucky to be in a Newey car. Actually thinking about it, Newey was his main competitor.

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Originally Posted by Mr V

All of which contributed to his phenomenal success.

Yes. Sadly some people see this success as compatible with greatness.

tony griffiths · 27 Apr 2010, 19:04 (Ref:2680679)

didnt McLaren do something for Mr Manswell ?? Or was that because his head or is arse was too big ?

Super Hans · 27 Apr 2010, 19:57 (Ref:2680716)

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Originally Posted by tony griffiths

didnt McLaren do something for Mr Manswell ?? Or was that because his head or is arse was too big ?

I think the cockpit was too narrow and he was unable to steer properly because there wasn't sufficient room for his elbows.

I might be wrong.

Ralf's Girl · 27 Apr 2010, 20:36 (Ref:2680747)

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Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

Spot on. I have a feeling Nico will still be faster.

Same here. But, like Born Racer, I think that it will be because TGF is slower than he was a few years ago, not because Rosberg is an outright better driver. F1 has moved on, though, and I'm not sure TGF can keep up with it now.

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