What Magazines/Websites/Writers Do You Read? (Merged x3)

[Jack65]

Depends on how you want to define independent. Independent as in having an owner who does not have a financial stake in the category or a team? Auto Action, Motorsport.com, Speedcafe and V8 Sleuth all tick that box. Doesn't mean that there aren't conflicts between some people within these organisations and some people in team land that may effect on what and what isn't reported, but that is a fact of life that will never change.

Obviously part of being accredited media requires a degree of towing the line, but that doesn't mean unfavourable news is just swept under the carpet. The reporting of the Kostecki / Erebus stoush earlier this year proved that.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Depends on how you want to define independent. Independent as in having an owner who does not have a financial stake in the category or a team? Auto Action, Motorsport.com, Speedcafe and V8 Sleuth all tick that box. Doesn't mean that there aren't conflicts between some people within these organisations and some people in team land that may effect on what and what isn't reported, but that is a fact of life that will never change.

Any conflicts like you mention are either not tolerated or explicitly acknowledged in other sports, yet it’s just brushed over as “oh well” in Supercars.

Independent means your magazine/website/podcast etc… exists to report the news, good or bad, no matter the consequences.


It was reported this week Betty has bought into AA, V8Sleuth provides stats to Supercars Media and produces their event programmes and media guide, Speedcafe could be more independent but they’ve got Supercars aligned partners and an editor who sounds like he’s getting an autograph anytime he interviews someone from the sport.

None of those are properly independent and therefore are not reporting unbiased and neutral to the fans

The fact some posts are defending this proves my point, most fans don’t care that the news reporting isn’t independent or unbiased.

Originally Posted by Jack65

Obviously part of being accredited media requires a degree of towing the line, but that doesn't mean unfavourable news is just swept under the carpet

No it doesn’t! In any serious sport your accreditation is certainly not judged on toeing the line. Look at reporting in F1, Indycar, or locally AFL or NRL.

There’s no denying Supercars deny accreditation to anyone who dares to criticise the gospel, look what happened to Peter Mckay

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by one five five

Any conflicts like you mention are either not tolerated or explicitly acknowledged in other sports, yet it’s just brushed over as “oh well” in Supercars.

Rubbish, there are plenty of both too cosy relationships and feuds between journalists and players, managers and officials within other sports that influences what is and isn't reported or agendas are pushed. Some are well documented, some not.

Originally Posted by one five five

Independent means your magazine/website/podcast etc… exists to report the news, good or bad, no matter the consequences.

Magazines, websites and podcasts are businesses. They are not moral crusaders and have a legal framework that they need to operate within. Most are small businesses that would not have deep enough pockets to fight a major defamation action.

Originally Posted by one five five

It was reported this week Betty has bought into AA

If that has happened, then that is a conflict of interest.

Originally Posted by one five five

V8Sleuth provides stats to Supercars Media and produces their event programmes and media guide

It has also been transparent about that. Doesn't mean that it only runs good news Supercars stories though.

Originally Posted by one five five

Speedcafe could be more independent but they’ve got Supercars aligned partners and an editor who sounds like he’s getting an autograph anytime he interviews someone from the sport.

Some of its advertisers are also sponsors of teams / the series. Hardly surprising given that they are marketing to the same audience. Speedcafe's editor didn't exactly toe the party line with the Kostecki thing did he?

Originally Posted by one five five

None of those are properly independent and therefore are not reporting unbiased and neutral to the fans.

So who should be bringing this unbiased and neutral news? You seem to be able to find fault in just about everyone involved.

Originally Posted by one five five

There’s no denying Supercars deny accreditation to anyone who dares to criticise the gospel, look what happened to Peter Mckay

Put him out of his misery. McKay loathed V8 Supercars, having never been able to accept that it had comprehensively won the battle against Super Touring.

[one five five]

The fact you are arguing so hard for the existing media portrayal of Supercars, just proves my point that the fans don’t care where the news comes from and whether it’s unbiased or not.

Originally Posted by Jack65

Magazines, websites and podcasts are businesses. They are not moral crusaders and have a legal framework that they need to operate within. Most are small businesses that would not have deep enough pockets to fight a major defamation action.

If they are printing facts, they’ve got nothing to worry about

Originally Posted by Jack65

?So who should be bringing this unbiased and neutral news? You seem to be able to find fault in just about everyone involved..

Anyone who’s focus is on telling us the news and writing stories, with no extra curricular activities which involve earning coin working FOR the series you’re supposed to be unbiasedly reporting on.

The lot we currently rely on are far too insular to Supercars, it’s just a circle jerk.

Originally Posted by Jack65

. McKay loathed V8 Supercars, having never been able to accept that it had comprehensively won the battle against Super Touring.

Perhaps you need to reread some of his prose from the time.

McKay was certainly critical of AVESCO and Tony Cochrane, but he also stuck the pen into TOCA and the traditional Bathurst as well.

It said something that when Cochrane pulled his hard card, V8Supercar teams themselves gave him passes to get him into the track to report for, you know, Fairfax media, kind of a big player….

[Just Do It!]

Hopefully, you've both emptied your bladders now.

There, there. Would you like a cold beverage??

[Mixer]

I have not listened to Apex Hunters yet but these allegations from Scott Pye seem just a bit far fetched. He seemed like he got the amount of coverage that a co-driver at a top team deserved?

Seems a long bow that Supercars media would close ranks over Erebus...

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by one five five

The fact you are arguing so hard for the existing media portrayal of Supercars, just proves my point that the fans don’t care where the news comes from and whether it’s unbiased or not.

Not a case of arguing for it, just being realistic of how the real world operates rather than in a utopian parallel universe.

Originally Posted by one five five

Anyone who’s focus is on telling us the news and writing stories, with no extra curricular activities which involve earning coin working FOR the series you’re supposed to be unbiasedly reporting on.

Yet stories are written that Supercars would prefer weren't, e.g. the Kostecki saga. V8Sleuth derives an income from producing the event programs. So what, it has never been a hard hitting news outlet, and doesn't pretend that it is.

[Kingair]

A motoring journalist many years ago bagged out a new model of the Toyota Camry in his weekly newspaper column. Same journalist went on holidays a month later, and rocked up at the local the Toyota Dealership to get a loan car for the week. The dealer promptly told him to f#ck off, best try Avis or Hertz.

Most journalist are lazy or like to be spoon fed, don't want to upset the honey pot.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Not a case of arguing for it, just being realistic of how the real world operates rather than in a utopian parallel universe.Yet stories are written that Supercars would prefer weren't.

Nothing utopian about it

Watch an episode of NRL360 or AFL360, read the opinion columns in the papers. Why can’t Australian motor racing have this?

There is no fear of bagging the powers that be or calling rubbish for what it is. There is certainly barrow pushing too, but in Supercars we get nothing but how wonderful everything is.

You continually reference the Kostecki saga, but that was a single story that within the sport that had little traction outside of the motor racing world. The category as a whole wasn’t getting called out, infact most of the media closed ranks as if to protect it, and the journo who did break tanks spends most of the time advocating his love for the category as a whole.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

There is no fear of bagging the powers that be or calling rubbish for what it is. There is certainly barrow pushing too, but in Supercars we get nothing but how wonderful everything is.

Not sure what coverage you look at, but there's always these leaks of players behaving badly, where there is zero consequences.

Mysterious "white powder" that isn't drugs or alleged drugs. No police action follows either. I'm told by a former club CEO that players are tested approx once a year each, and they know in advance when it will be. Ever seen a player pull out with "general soreness"? Masking agent has shown up in a self-test. Same former CEO also told me if you want to take out the entire AFL just send a drug dog to the Brownlow.

Or like AFL players who drop their car and run away from a booze bus, and somehow they don't get prosecuted either. Mental health defence, big $ lawyer and sob story accepted by all.

Another who had a massive smash, took out multiple vehicles, previously had to move states because he had self-reported more than 10 times for nose beers. Never drug or alcohol tested, epileptic fit if we are to believe that.

What about the former AFL player manager who was found in a hotel room with a 16 yo girl, and had been plying her with methamphetamines and having sex with her? Able to resign, again not charged. Not written about.

St Kilda players, big names, sexually assaulted and shared images of underage girls... No action.

White and black players involved in drug dealing and shootings. No investigation.

NRL arguably even worse.

Is this the press you're talking about? I can understand how the AFL can own the press but I simply cannot understand how they have so much control over the police.

[S griffin]

It’s amazing how much they can cover up. You’d think it would come back to bite them eventually

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Speedcafe's editor didn't exactly toe the party line with the Kostecki thing did he?

Yet your man seems to be selling the Kool Aid for the overlords judging by his latest “opinion piece” today….

Originally Posted by Mixer

Not sure what coverage you look at, but there's always these leaks of players behaving badly, where there is zero consequences.

Mysterious "white powder" that isn't drugs or alleged drugs. No police action follows either. I'm told by a former club CEO that players are tested approx once a year each, and they know in advance when it will be. Ever seen a player pull out with "general soreness"? Masking agent has shown up in a self-test. Same former CEO also told me if you want to take out the entire AFL just send a drug dog to the Brownlow.

Or like AFL players who drop their car and run away from a booze bus, and somehow they don't get prosecuted either. Mental health defence, big $ lawyer and sob story accepted by all.

Another who had a massive smash, took out multiple vehicles, previously had to move states because he had self-reported more than 10 times for nose beers. Never drug or alcohol tested, epileptic fit if we are to believe that.

What about the former AFL player manager who was found in a hotel room with a 16 yo girl, and had been plying her with methamphetamines and having sex with her? Able to resign, again not charged. Not written about.

St Kilda players, big names, sexually assaulted and shared images of underage girls... No action.

White and black players involved in drug dealing and shootings. No investigation.

NRL arguably even worse.

I don’t doubt any of that, but I’m not sure what any of that has to do with the conversation.

I’m talking about journos reporting on the sport, not on the after hours activities. That’s for the front of the paper, not the back.

Fact is there’s plenty of debate good and bad in AFL and NRL from the journos across various platforms. In motor racing it’s all rosy all the time and anyone who dares criticise the “sport” is just told the immortal sentence “if you don’t like it don’t watch it”

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

I’m talking about journos reporting on the sport, not on the after hours activities. That’s for the front of the paper, not the back.

All of them report on the bits of the sport that they are told to.

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by one five five

You continually reference the Kostecki saga, but that was a single story that within the sport that had little traction outside of the motor racing world. The category as a whole wasn’t getting called out, infact most of the media closed ranks as if to protect it, and the journo who did break tanks spends most of the time advocating his love for the category as a whole.

Was only the biggest story of the year, but let's not bother ourselves with such trivia. Speedcafe also was the first to report probably the second biggest story of the year, stealing Supercars thunder by reporting Toyota joining the series, the day before it was announced.

Originally Posted by one five five

Yet your man seems to be selling the Kool Aid for the overlords judging by his latest “opinion piece” today….

Always a good idea to add a link to the story, but I am guessing you are referring to: Supercars shows its mettle with bold Finals plan.

So what, it's an opinion piece. Should he just oppose everything just to be controversial? I gather you are not a fan of the concept, nor am I, but that doesn't mean a journalist isn't entitled to be supportive of an idea.

[GTRMagic]

[GTRMagic]

Welcome to Erebus Action

Wonder if one of the ownership group will apologise to Mr Adderton for daring to publicly suggest that this had already happened…

[one five five]

That sort of conflict of interest is disgraceful, but it also is perfectly acceptable in the Australian motor racing landscape.

Was it common knowledge that Andrew Clarke was also an owner?

Originally Posted by Jack65

So what, it's an opinion piece. Should he just oppose everything just to be controversial? I gather you are not a fan of the concept, nor am I, but that doesn't mean a journalist isn't entitled to be supportive of an idea.

He panned the idea on his podcast the week before, then it gets announced amc suddenly it’s “good on Supercars”

[Kingair]

Do we get a free Chiko Roll, next time we purchase a copy from our local newsagent?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Kingair

Do we get a free Chiko Roll, next time we purchase a copy from our local newsagent?

Now there’s an idea!!

Maybe you get a copy of Erebus Lical News with every Chiko roll sold…

[GTRMagic]

[Kingair]

Why does everyone have to reach out these days?

[Mixer]

I hate to be a pedant but on the day it was the truth....

[Henry]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Now there’s an idea!!

Maybe you get a copy of Erebus Lical News with every Chiko roll sold…

as opposed to getting partially disassembled with your fish and chips?

[Mixer]

Wow the Drivers only podcast with Brodie and Todd is excellent. They are both great personalities and Jc Does a beautiful job hosting.

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[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Wow the Drivers only podcast with Brodie and Todd is excellent. They are both great personalities and Jc Does a beautiful job hosting.

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Funny how the personality of Mr Hazelwood was always there but now he has a microphone to share his thoughts… and they are cool!

Mr Kostecki was great also.. success breeds confidence for both blokes..