Massa Who? - Page 13

wolfhound · 1 Aug 2012, 10:52 (Ref:3114641)

Joe Saward has added his twopence worth to the Massa debate.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/...econd-ferrari/

At the moment I expect Massa to be at Ferrari 2013 but!!!!!!!

**Bononi** · 1 Aug 2012, 13:37 (Ref:3114723)

Well, I said that several pages ago... just go and check it !

wolfhound · 16 Aug 2012, 17:50 (Ref:3120784)

Massa "knows what he has to do" to keep his Ferrari drive according to Domenicali.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101803

No real surprise there then but who will replace him, Perez has been ruled out due to inexperience, the same could apply to Hulkenberg, Grosjean, Di Resta & Bianchi.
Hamilton & Alonso = fireworks.
Button, Vettel & Rosberg would cost arms and legs for their contracts to be bought out.
Raikkonen has history there and would not make sense to go back.
That leaves Kovalinen, Kobayashi & Sutil with the latter's problems I cannot see him going there. Kobayashi has never been really been mentioned as a possible but ....

That leaves Kovalinen as the most likely but would he be able to perform in Alonso's team?

Marbot · 16 Aug 2012, 18:08 (Ref:3120787)

Kovalainen seems to be the obvious 'shoe-in', and he's making a lot of noises about not necessarily staying at Caterham for much longer.

I would go with Kovalainen, 100% But let's see if Massa can up his game a little bit. He's obviously been given a target, and facial expressions might tell all.

**Bononi** · 16 Aug 2012, 18:47 (Ref:3120803)

set, ready, go !

Clive Brown · 16 Aug 2012, 19:04 (Ref:3120807)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Kovalainen seems to be the obvious 'shoe-in'.

Would this be the same Kovalainen that failed at, and got booted out from, McLaren?

p-matt · 16 Aug 2012, 19:08 (Ref:3120808)

I still think the top teams will be wary of Kovy given how dismally he performed at McLaren.

Just because someone is stellar in a rubbish car doesn't mean they'll be championship material in a good one. Fisi - case in point. Heikki strikes me as that kind of driver.

It has to be Perez alongside Alonso next year.

wolfhound · 16 Aug 2012, 19:32 (Ref:3120813)

Then again there is a current driver who is out of contract at the end of the season who has lots of experience, won lots of GP's and most of those at Ferrari.

**chunterer** · 16 Aug 2012, 19:56 (Ref:3120828)

No chance!

**Bononi** · 16 Aug 2012, 22:31 (Ref:3120886)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

Then again there is a current driver who is out of contract at the end of the season who has lots of experience, won lots of GP's and most of those at Ferrari.

Tell Luca that !

QnickFTW · 17 Aug 2012, 00:02 (Ref:3120904)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

Then again there is a current driver who is out of contract at the end of the season who has lots of experience, won lots of GP's and most of those at Ferrari.

Do you mean Barrichello?

Marbot · 17 Aug 2012, 01:09 (Ref:3120921)

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Originally Posted by Clive Brown

Would this be the same Kovalainen that failed at, and got booted out from, McLaren?

It would be the same one, but he's much improved now.

Wouldn't it be ridiculous if he out-drove Alonso?

wnut · 17 Aug 2012, 08:31 (Ref:3120992)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

It would be the same one, but he's much improved now.

Wouldn't it be ridiculous if he out-drove Alonso?

Yeah right, him and Karthekeyan!

Fire Alonso and Massa immediately and employ them both!

Pigs might!

wolfhound · 17 Aug 2012, 09:57 (Ref:3121020)

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Originally Posted by QnickFTW

Do you mean Barrichello?

No the one at MB currently.

**Bononi** · 17 Aug 2012, 12:19 (Ref:3121059)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

No chance!

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

No the one at MB currently.

Exactly. No chance.

djinvicta · 17 Aug 2012, 18:48 (Ref:3121157)

I think there is every chance with Mercedes thinking of scaling back. Schumi not as he used to be, without Goodyear but would partner Alonso well, certainly wouldnt outclass him, but add focus and feedback to a dog of a car

Mr V · 17 Aug 2012, 21:17 (Ref:3121194)

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Originally Posted by djinvicta

I think there is every chance with Mercedes thinking of scaling back. Schumi not as he used to be, without Goodyear but would partner Alonso well, certainly wouldnt outclass him, but add focus and feedback to a dog of a car

Are you suggesting what i think you are? Schumacher to Ferrari ????

No way. He can't match Rosberg, do you think he'd willingly put himself up against Alonso ?

**Born Racer** · 17 Aug 2012, 22:02 (Ref:3121204)

He's more than matching Rosberg now. Actually, it wouldn't happen, but he'd be a great team-mate to Alonso and perfect for Ferrari.

He won't go there and yet he should if he got offered the chance because being beaten by Alonso has even less shame than being beaten by Rosberg.

Mr V · 17 Aug 2012, 23:06 (Ref:3121214)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

He's more than matching Rosberg now. Actually, it wouldn't happen, but he'd be a great team-mate to Alonso and perfect for Ferrari.

He won't go there and yet he should if he got offered the chance because being beaten by Alonso has even less shame than being beaten by Rosberg.

But Michaels not going to put himself in a position where its guarenteed that he's going to be beaten by his team mate, no shame or not !

**Bononi** · 17 Aug 2012, 23:32 (Ref:3121217)

I wonder how people still doesn't "know" TGF, it's all good when you see it in a ideal world, but the truth is ugly.

QnickFTW · 18 Aug 2012, 13:23 (Ref:3121351)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I wonder how people still doesn't "know" TGF, it's all good when you see it in a ideal world, but the truth is ugly.

I was never an MS fan, but there is nothing "ugly" about getting up off your couch (in your £30 million Swiss castle with a lake and a perfect family) and say "I have nothing to win, everything to lose -including the almighty status that came with 7 WDC titles- but I love F1, this is where my heart is at, this is what I do"

He came back to do this, kept his cool during the hardest bits when people like Stirling Moss, Martin Brundle and DC ... 3 people with zero titles combined ... were talking trash of him, everybody seemed to have turned away from him, he was rusty and even the car failed constantly, and he is still out there, professional as ever, slowly but surely getting the upper hand on Rosberg and moving forward at the age of 43.

That is the utmost passion, respect and love for this sport to have and a huge inspiration for me. Personally I dont see anything "ugly" about it.

Mr V · 18 Aug 2012, 13:35 (Ref:3121354)

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Originally Posted by QnickFTW

I was never an MS fan, but there is nothing "ugly" about getting up off your couch (in your £30 million Swiss castle with a lake and a perfect family) and say "I have nothing to win, everything to lose -including the almighty status that came with 7 WDC titles- but I love F1, this is where my heart is at, this is what I do"

He came back to do this, kept his cool during the hardest bits when people like Stirling Moss, Martin Brundle and DC ... 3 people with zero titles combined ... were talking trash of him, everybody seemed to have turned away from him, he was rusty and even the car failed constantly, and he is still out there, professional as ever, slowly but surely getting the upper hand on Rosberg and moving forward at the age of 43.

That is the utmost passion, respect and love for this sport to have and a huge inspiration for me. Personally I dont see anything "ugly" about it.

Michael didn't come back to make up the numbers, he came back to win (he said so himself in an interview with DC), playing number 2 to Alonso at Ferrari is not something that he'd contemplate, imho.

QnickFTW · 18 Aug 2012, 14:13 (Ref:3121361)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Michael didn't come back to make up the numbers, he came back to win (he said so himself in an interview with DC), playing number 2 to Alonso at Ferrari is not something that he'd contemplate, imho.

I think the whole MS to Ferrari post was just a goof to start with and I wouldnt for a second take it seriously anyway. I was just saying there is nothing ugly to me about MS' second carrier, if anything, it is a huge inspiration, thats all.

**Bononi** · 18 Aug 2012, 22:01 (Ref:3121496)

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Originally Posted by QnickFTW

I was never an MS fan, but there is nothing "ugly" about getting up off your couch (in your £30 million Swiss castle with a lake and a perfect family) and say "I have nothing to win, everything to lose -including the almighty status that came with 7 WDC titles- but I love F1, this is where my heart is at, this is what I do"

He came back to do this, kept his cool during the hardest bits when people like Stirling Moss, Martin Brundle and DC ... 3 people with zero titles combined ... were talking trash of him, everybody seemed to have turned away from him, he was rusty and even the car failed constantly, and he is still out there, professional as ever, slowly but surely getting the upper hand on Rosberg and moving forward at the age of 43.

That is the utmost passion, respect and love for this sport to have and a huge inspiration for me. Personally I dont see anything "ugly" about it.

The ugly truth I am talking about is that he'll never go back to Ferrari. You should read my post again and the others above before posting.

**Bononi** · 18 Aug 2012, 22:05 (Ref:3121498)

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Originally Posted by QnickFTW

I think the whole MS to Ferrari post was just a goof to start with and I wouldnt for a second take it seriously anyway. I was just saying there is nothing ugly to me about MS' second carrier, if anything, it is a huge inspiration, thats all.

Again, you should read my post in the context of what was posted before.

I don't even consider that TGF has a seconf "carrier", if that's what you meant was career.
For me it's all one and only.

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