What is Aston Martin up to? - Page 136

KA · 16 Jul 2011, 13:09 (Ref:2927410)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Whats the chances they could run one with the V12 and have another as a 'current' spec car (not grandfathered) with the I6? If the I6 blows itself again atleast they'll have one car still running.

They (or Lola) would have to work out an engine installation for the Lola chassis between now and Silverstone- that's work that doesn't really benefit them in the long-term (unless they take the decision to drop any notion of an in-house AMR chassis and stick with the Lola for next year) and distracts them from the most important job, which is sorting out (or replacing) the AMR-One.

I'd be tempted with SebringMG's suggestion- take one of each to Silverstone- the Lola in an effort to get a decent result to keep the sponsors happy, and the AMR-One to try and get some race mileage under it's belt to help development

JAG · 16 Jul 2011, 14:44 (Ref:2927429)

As said, the AMR-One has been given a clean bill of health by two outside engineering consultantcies.

Aston will be at Silverstone, what car they use is dependent on AMR-One development between now and then.

JAG · 16 Jul 2011, 19:16 (Ref:2927475)

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110715/ALMS/110719914

courageous · 16 Jul 2011, 20:20 (Ref:2927498)

ORECA pug is on the shelf & the Kronos car showed impresive pace at Le Mans so wheeling out the Lola could get Aston a home race podium with a bit of bad luck for the serious factory efforts.

The AMR-One won't last long enough for them to get any meaningful data, so may as well go for the good PR (ditto for petit le mans)

carsten66 · 16 Jul 2011, 21:39 (Ref:2927525)

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Originally Posted by JAG

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110715/ALMS/110719914

"... They have said that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with either the engine or the chassis, nothing that can't be put right with a bit of time and money..."

That's for shure the understatement of the year...
and good to know, just a little bit more of time and money and all is fine...

chernaudi · 16 Jul 2011, 21:57 (Ref:2927529)

A bit OT, but I thought that Oreca was planning to be back by Silverstone, unless Peugeot have pulled the plug completely on spares/support for the old 908.

As for AMR, the big advantage for reverting to the older cars is that they can race while developing the AMR-One. It seems to be that simple as far as the basic issue if that is what happens.

AGD · 17 Jul 2011, 01:16 (Ref:2927552)

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Originally Posted by carsten66

"... They have said that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with either the engine or the chassis, nothing that can't be put right with a bit of time and money..."

That's for shure the understatement of the year...
and good to know, just a little bit more of time and money and all is fine...

Yeah, I had to laugh at that comment. I think there are a lot of things can be made better with enough time and money!

AMR has sponsors and pay drivers they need to please. If they want to experiment in private, fine, but I think they should end the season on as high of a note as possible in order to rebuild trust with everyone involved. So be it if that means running the Lola V12. Just because one has a newer car does not mean one should run it publicly. Just look at Audi and the R15 at Sebring. Things worked out pretty well for them.

HJJ · 19 Jul 2011, 14:38 (Ref:2928596)

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110715/ALMS/110719914

MulsanneMike · 19 Jul 2011, 15:35 (Ref:2928614)

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Originally Posted by HJJ

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110715/ALMS/110719914

So the outside consultants say there is nothing wrong with the car or the engine. Or actually, what they said was, "nothing that can't be put right with a bit of time and money."

...and then he says they could drag the Lolas out. So are the cars fundamentally sound or what? Actions speak louder than words.

Tom908V12 · 19 Jul 2011, 17:25 (Ref:2928646)

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Originally Posted by courageous

ORECA pug is on the shelf & the Kronos car showed impresive pace at Le Mans so wheeling out the Lola could get Aston a home race podium with a bit of bad luck for the serious factory efforts.

The AMR-One won't last long enough for them to get any meaningful data, so may as well go for the good PR (ditto for petit le mans)

Victor_RO · 19 Jul 2011, 17:35 (Ref:2928651)

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Originally Posted by courageous

ORECA pug is on the shelf

No, it was only pulled from the Imola round due to damage at Le Mans. It will be back for Silverstone.

Tom908V12 · 28 Jul 2011, 19:34 (Ref:2932240)

So ??? Any news with what LMP1 Prodrive intends to come to Silverstone

Audi Racer · 28 Jul 2011, 20:49 (Ref:2932262)

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Originally Posted by Tom908V12

So ??? Any news with what LMP1 Prodrive intends to come to Silverstone

a wish and a prayer

tux · 29 Jul 2011, 10:32 (Ref:2932482)

Aston Martin Racing will continue to compete in the remaining three rounds of the Intercontinental Le Mans Cup (ILMC), reverting to last year’s V12-engined DBR1-2 LMP1 race car while the new AMR-One programme continues to undergo review.

In addition to the ILMC races at Silverstone (UK) on 11 September, Petit Le Mans (USA), 1 October and Zhuhai (China) on 13 November, the team will also compete at Laguna Seca, part of the American Le Mans Series, on 17 September. Aston Martin Racing is currently preparing a DBR1-2 chassis, which will continue to run in its familiar Gulf livery, and will test in August. The driver line-up for the single car entry will include experienced factory drivers; Adrian Fernandez (MX) and Harold Primat (CH).

The DBR1-2 features Aston Martin’s famous 6.0 litre V12 engine housed in a closed cockpit car. The LMP1 machine has already amassed a series of impressive finishes including a fourth place finish at the 24 hours of Le Mans in 2009 being the fastest petrol car in the field. It then went on to sweep the entire podium at the Nürburgring 1000 KM. The car also won outright the second round of the Asian Le Mans Series and secured overall team and driver titles in the European Le Mans Series after finishing on the podium in all five of the Series races in 2009.

In 2010, Aston Martin Racing competed in three races with the DBR1-2 prior to achieving sixth place at the Le Mans 24 Hours. The team achieved a podium finish in every one, third at Sebring, second at Long Beach and Paul Ricard.

Kind Regards,

The Aston Martin Facebook Team

Deleted · 29 Jul 2011, 10:37 (Ref:2932487)

Finally! The best possible outcome, and a confirmed Laguna outing as well!

Victor_RO · 29 Jul 2011, 10:40 (Ref:2932491)

So it's back to the Lolas and the AMR-One is in the bin for the rest of the year at least?

No, this is not my shocked face.

Deleted · 29 Jul 2011, 10:46 (Ref:2932497)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

the AMR-One is in the bin for the rest of the year at least?

I'd love if it stayed there forever.

haribo · 29 Jul 2011, 12:14 (Ref:2932579)

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Originally Posted by tux

Aston Martin Racing will continue to compete in the remaining three rounds of the Intercontinental Le Mans Cup (ILMC), reverting to last year’s V12-engined DBR1-2 LMP1 race car while the new AMR-One programme continues to undergo review.

In addition to the ILMC races at Silverstone (UK) on 11 September, Petit Le Mans (USA), 1 October and Zhuhai (China) on 13 November, the team will also compete at Laguna Seca, part of the American Le Mans Series, on 17 September. Aston Martin Racing is currently preparing a DBR1-2 chassis, which will continue to run in its familiar Gulf livery, and will test in August. The driver line-up for the single car entry will include experienced factory drivers; Adrian Fernandez (MX) and Harold Primat (CH).

The DBR1-2 features Aston Martin’s famous 6.0 litre V12 engine housed in a closed cockpit car. The LMP1 machine has already amassed a series of impressive finishes including a fourth place finish at the 24 hours of Le Mans in 2009 being the fastest petrol car in the field. It then went on to sweep the entire podium at the Nürburgring 1000 KM. The car also won outright the second round of the Asian Le Mans Series and secured overall team and driver titles in the European Le Mans Series after finishing on the podium in all five of the Series races in 2009.

In 2010, Aston Martin Racing competed in three races with the DBR1-2 prior to achieving sixth place at the Le Mans 24 Hours. The team achieved a podium finish in every one, third at Sebring, second at Long Beach and Paul Ricard.

Kind Regards,

The Aston Martin Facebook Team

Ahhh the dreaded words "under review" AKA Mothball it and it'll never see the light of day again

AstonGeoff · 29 Jul 2011, 13:07 (Ref:2932642)

I wouldn't be surprised if they went and bought/borrowed a Judd or Toyota engine and installed that in the chassis just to see if it had the required pace, at the moment no one really knows if both chassis and engine are rubbish or one or neither of them, despite all of the, pretty much, uninformed guess work posted on various forums.

AGD · 29 Jul 2011, 13:23 (Ref:2932655)

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Originally Posted by haribo

Ahhh the dreaded words "under review" AKA Mothball it and it'll never see the light of day again

Yeah, it's worded in a way that is not optimistic about a return of the AMR-One. Then again, it could happen. We'll see I guess, but whatever the case is, I hope they do a lot of testing and development work if they bring out a new/revised car.

I think I brought this up in another thread a few weeks back, but I still have not heard a definitive answer. I was always under the impression that the 2010 grandfathered cars would not be legal in ACO racing next year. However, Dagys mentioned in one of his chats that he was under the impression that they would be legal again next year. I'm still a bit skeptical, but who knows. If they are still legal in 2012, maybe they should just stick with the Lola V12. It's a great sounding car and it may be the best petrol runner aside from the HPD. The Pescarolo could be a good petrol car depending on what they do, but we'll see. Ok, the Lola V12 won't contend against the Audis and Peugeots, but it is unlikely that they will ever get the AMR-One to that point either unless they get a much bigger budget.

Anyway, I think this move could go a long way in regaining Prodrive's respectability in Le Mans prototype racing. It's too bad they did not do this earlier, but whatever. It'll be interesting to see how they fare against Cytosport at Laguna.

dj choc ice · 29 Jul 2011, 15:19 (Ref:2932762)

This is wonderful news. I knew the AMR1 needed a bit of development time but even at LeMans there were no real gains made since Paul Ricard with the car. It's great we get a last hurrah for the howling Lola AMR but I worry for next year. If the AMR1 is a total pup then we may not see AMR in LMP1 next year on grounds of cost, and that worried me a lot.

nasdriv87 · 29 Jul 2011, 16:05 (Ref:2932790)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tux

Aston Martin Racing will continue to compete in the remaining three rounds of the Intercontinental Le Mans Cup (ILMC), reverting to last year’s V12-engined DBR1-2 LMP1 race car while the new AMR-One programme continues to undergo review.

In addition to the ILMC races at Silverstone (UK) on 11 September, Petit Le Mans (USA), 1 October and Zhuhai (China) on 13 November, the team will also compete at Laguna Seca, part of the American Le Mans Series, on 17 September. Aston Martin Racing is currently preparing a DBR1-2 chassis, which will continue to run in its familiar Gulf livery, and will test in August. The driver line-up for the single car entry will include experienced factory drivers; Adrian Fernandez (MX) and Harold Primat (CH).

The DBR1-2 features Aston Martin’s famous 6.0 litre V12 engine housed in a closed cockpit car. The LMP1 machine has already amassed a series of impressive finishes including a fourth place finish at the 24 hours of Le Mans in 2009 being the fastest petrol car in the field. It then went on to sweep the entire podium at the Nürburgring 1000 KM. The car also won outright the second round of the Asian Le Mans Series and secured overall team and driver titles in the European Le Mans Series after finishing on the podium in all five of the Series races in 2009.

In 2010, Aston Martin Racing competed in three races with the DBR1-2 prior to achieving sixth place at the Le Mans 24 Hours. The team achieved a podium finish in every one, third at Sebring, second at Long Beach and Paul Ricard.

Kind Regards,

The Aston Martin Facebook Team

what a great news... yeah babe the Lola-Aston V12 is back on track!!!

MitchZ06 · 29 Jul 2011, 16:21 (Ref:2932804)

Couldn't a fin be added and the I6 stuck in the back of the Lola to create a kind of AMR1/2+ for next year?

NightStalk3r · 29 Jul 2011, 16:27 (Ref:2932806)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Couldn't a fin be added and the I6 stuck in the back of the Lola to create a kind of AMR1/2+ for next year?

Why? the I6 has been the cause of most of the AMR-One's issues.

MitchZ06 · 29 Jul 2011, 16:29 (Ref:2932810)

Because the V12 wouldn't be allowed under a 'new rules' car...if they went that route they could focus on improving the engine without worrying about the rest of the car. Too logical?

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