GTE/GTLM 2016 discussion

[carbsmith]

We're well past that with GTE.

First gen is GT3 993 RSRs and E36 M3s plus wacky one offs, second gen is GT/NGT/GT2 996s, early 997s, 360s and 430s, E46 M3s, Spykers, Esperantes, etc., third gen is all that GTE nonsense starting with the E92 M3s.

As cool looking as parts of the new GTE cars are they very much give me the feeling of having jumped the shark. Mind you so do a lot of the new GT3s.

[Mt. Lynx]

Originally Posted by carbsmith

We're well past that with GTE.

First gen is GT3 993 RSRs and E36 M3s plus wacky one offs, second gen is GT/NGT/GT2 996s, early 997s, 360s and 430s, E46 M3s, Spykers, Esperantes, etc., third gen is all that GTE nonsense starting with the E92 M3s.

As cool looking as parts of the new GTE cars are they very much give me the feeling of having jumped the shark. Mind you so do a lot of the new GT3s.

Personnally, I think the newest gen GT2 cars began with the factory C6.R. 2nd gen is the wider bodies, and 3rd begins now.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Mt. Lynx

Good theory, but I think you have to ad one generation - the one that kills it. Go back to the 90's, and we get 1st gen BPR, 2nd gen starts wth the McLaren F1 in 95', then 3rd gen with the LT's, and then 4th wich ends this GT1 run - TS020, 911 GT1 98, CLK-LM and R390 LT.
Next step is as Speed-King says, but ends with a 4th gen in the slowed down GT1 cars by SRO - Nissan GTR, Ford GT, Lamborghini Mucielago LP670-2 RSVGT1 - wich just kills off GT1.

We are then entering gen 3 in both GT3 and GTE. Wich historically is the most rememberable one.

Eh, I rather see GT1(2010) as a sad post script more than anything else, especially since half of the grid was still made up by the Generation 3 legacy cars (more than that if you count the Lambos).

As for 90s GT1: That was just dysfunctional... When did BPR start again? 1993 or 1994? Either way, they only got 5 or 6 years out of the rule set, which means it probably doesn't fit into my scheme anyway.

GTE is a curious case, though I wouldn't really include the early to mid 90s cars there, IMHO it started with the 996-R N-GT cars in 1999. So the 996 vs 360 would be the first generation, 997 vs 430 the second and what we have now is the third. Not sure what to make of next year's cars yet. Might be the beginning of something entirely new or another post script like GT1 (2010). Also: Being the only GT-class at Le Mans probably insulates them quite well from many of the problems that other classes run into.

[Mt. Lynx]

I think you have to count an end of gen. when a significant rule change is made. After the 2008 season, both GT1 and GT2 had overhauls. Both classes saw new cars for the new rules, and both classes grandfathered the previous gen. GT1 ended after 2010, but GT2 continued until the wider bodies were introduced.

[tux]

Hello, here you can see a video of the 2016 Vantage testing at Estoril, sounds very "flat" compared to this years car. https://youtu.be/T7OmMMAdP8I

[GriffM3]

BMW M6 confirmed in GTLM in 2016!

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/bm...h-bmw-m6-gtlm/

[YorkshireLad]

Originally Posted by tux

Hello, here you can see a video of the 2016 Vantage testing at Estoril, sounds very "flat" compared to this years car. https://youtu.be/T7OmMMAdP8I

I don't think the GTE is at full chat though, compared to the beechdean gt3 which is on full throttle.

Maybe it has a new exhaust system, from the pictures I saw in last few weeks it does seem as though the skirt design has changed, accommodating a new exhaust perhaps.

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by GriffM3

BMW M6 confirmed in GTLM in 2016!

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/bm...h-bmw-m6-gtlm/

This surprises nobody but MoMedic9019....

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

This surprises nobody but MoMedic9019....

No it doesn't.

I never said once it wouldn't happen. I just said that it was far from a done deal, and that excessive waivers and work to get it in were making other manu's unhappy.

If you are going to slag me, at least be somewhat right.

[rich07]

Video of Ferrari testing. Not sure if GTLM or GT3 car.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...904392%2F&_rdr

Not my video but saw it in another forum.

[deggis]

Corvette/Sebring test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wkRLgUK84o

[gustavobamba]

Originally Posted by deggis

Corvette/Sebring test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wkRLgUK84o

Is this 2016 spec???

[Rcz]

I assume the Corvette is the 2016 spec because it looks like it has the new diffuser.


I think the new Ferrari is also the GTE version.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

Is this 2016 spec???

Yes it is.








L.P.

[fausto]

Michelotto/Ferrari testing in Monza yesterday (monday) with two cars, probably one GTE, the second GT3, security personnel placed around the gates and even in the outer "Prima Variante" area, not strictly under Autodromo di Monza administration/control, no pics allowed, cars painted matt black, nose seemed different from that of the first 488 GT racer, seen mid-summer

[Coach Ep]

So the new BMW M6 is not a FIA legal GTE correct? How is it technically different from the rules? (I'm suspecting it has got to do with the engine mods?).

Thanks for explaining guys!

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

So the new BMW M6 is not a FIA legal GTE correct? How is it technically different from the rules? (I'm suspecting it has got to do with the engine mods?).

Thanks for explaining guys!

The majority of differences between GTE and GT3 cars are aero based.

And no, the M6 GTLM is not FIA GTE legal, just a series special for IMSA.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by fausto

Michelotto/Ferrari testing in Monza yesterday (monday) with two cars, probably one GTE, the second GT3, security personnel placed around the gates and even in the outer "Prima Variante" area, not strictly under Autodromo di Monza administration/control, no pics allowed, cars painted matt black, nose seemed different from that of the first 488 GT racer, seen mid-summer

Very interesting! With the security in place I doubt we'll see pics or vid of this test unfortunately

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by BullMan

The majority of differences between GTE and GT3 cars are aero based.

And no, the M6 GTLM is not FIA GTE legal, just a series special for IMSA.

So what does the car need to become FIA GTE legal? I'm having a bit of a hard time trying to find out where it doesn't met the ruleset.

Thx again.

[MaskedRacer]

It seems then for 2016 in WEC that GTE-AM might actually be a meaningful class because it will have clear different technical regulations and different cars than GTE-Pro.

I never took the whole pro and am thing seriously and considered it just one overall GT category. But for 2016 that might change.

[rich07]

A poster on another forum (Ferrarichat to be specific) is hinting that both Ferrari GTE and GT3 cars will be shown off at Mugello this week which coincidentally is when they have the Ferrari World Finals so makes sense in a way. I believe the poster is a seller of Ferrari GT and Challenge cars so its quite probable that they would have this kind of info.

We'll see what happens in the next few days...

[Deleted]

As if the class rules weren't total joke already, they seem to be adding tire bopping and static pit stop time bopping to the exhaustive list of existing boppings and waivers next year. Dear god
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/1...lster-gte.html

Tires now ruined too, great

[rich07]

Pitstop bopping?? What is this this garbage ? This is GT PRO for crying out loud.

[Deleted]

It's called trying too hard to please everybody. Year after year in more desperate fashion

Technically with the fuel flow restrictors and different fuel hose lengths and varied tank allowances it's already been made artificial in that department, but with standardized stop times it will become downright parhetic. Now only thing needed is requirement to also pit after X intervals like at Spa 24

But the tire bop is the worst of all, in any form it may take. They might just hand in identical spec Mics now and cash in just like with spec LMP2 contracts

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by rich07

Pitstop bopping?? What is this this garbage ? This is GT SRO for crying out loud.

Fixed, or it may as well be at this rate.

Actually no, at least we know where we stand with Blancpain's gentlemanly focus, even though I disagree there as much as I do here.