[Team] Alpine: The cars are Racing Points

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

If he goes to Haas, Ocon might slow down Bearman occasionally with overly aggressive defending, but overall he will bring in a lot more points than Magnussen, Zhou or probably Bottas so I think Haas should sign him anyway.

So Haas should replace the overly aggressive defending of Magnussen with the overly aggressive defending of Ocon .

I think we have to accept at this point that Ocon is not good for the atmosphere within a team - even if you can talk away his many collisions with teammates. He's fallen out with Perez, Alonso and Gasly, Verstappen clearly doesn't like him either. Does he have any friends on the grid? Of course that doesn't determine his speed - but it does suggest that having Ocon on one side of the garage is going to cause problems at some point.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by steve_r

I don't think that this spell with Alpine has done Gasly or Ocon any favours at all. Gasly was often "best of the rest" when he drove for Torro Rosso. I thought that his career might go in the same trajectory as Sainz after leaving the RBR family. Now rumours of a Haas or Williams drive seem to be as good as it is going to get?

"as good as it is going to get"!?

Gasly will likely stay on as lead driver of Alpine F1 Team, the French national F1 team, this is an honour surely?

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

"as good as it is going to get"!?

Gasly will likely stay on as lead driver of Alpine F1 Team, the French national F1 team, this is an honour surely?

Why did he move?
At the time it was indicated he wanted to be recognized for his efforts (financially I presume) and wanted to be with a manufacturer team...

That may change as soon as 2026 if the engine effort dries up, but he may still be leader of the 'official' French team.

Sometimes you make a move and what you wanted simply isn't what you get. Look at the Ricciardo move to Renault. Then when the offer came 15 months after he had arrived, he signed for McLaren!
People should be careful what they ask for and while following the money is a traditional way to connect the dots of what is happening in F1 generally, it is not the way to go about managing your career.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Why did he move?
At the time it was indicated he wanted to be recognized for his efforts (financially I presume) and wanted to be with a manufacturer team...

That may change as soon as 2026 if the engine effort dries up, but he may still be leader of the 'official' French team.

Sometimes you make a move and what you wanted simply isn't what you get. Look at the Ricciardo move to Renault. Then when the offer came 15 months after he had arrived, he signed for McLaren!
People should be careful what they ask for and while following the money is a traditional way to connect the dots of what is happening in F1 generally, it is not the way to go about managing your career.

To be fair Alpine hardly looks like a choice ride. A latter-day ATS , Andrea Monday or Stanley BRM!

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

To be fair Alpine hardly looks like a choice ride. A latter-day ATS , Andrea Monday or Stanley BRM!

Except with a seven-figure pay level!

[GTRMagic]

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[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

To be fair Alpine hardly looks like a choice ride. A latter-day ATS , Andrea Monday or Stanley BRM!

At the time he made the move it looked like a positive improvement on a seat that wasn't leading anywhere.
Since the change Alpha Tauri has morphed upward and Alpine dived.

[S griffin]

Alpine have always been there or thereabouts. I doubt RB can sustain their current levels of performance. That said it's worrying for Alpine how far their cars are behind at this stage

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

To be fair Alpine hardly looks like a choice ride. A latter-day ATS , Andrea Monday or Stanley BRM!

I'd possibly agree ATS, but no way they are as poor as Andrea Moda or the Stanley Steamer!

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[Tourer]

Ocon spits the dummy to the media before bothering to have the facts. Team orders applied without the planned re-adjustment, sound reasoning for not doing so but M.Ocon wasn't happy.

The predicted carambolage didn't really come to pass last year but seems quite likely this year - still plenty of races till the end of the season and opportunities for piff-paff!

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

To be fair Alpine hardly looks like a choice ride. A latter-day ATS , Andrea Monday or Stanley BRM!

I'm talking about when Gasly moved at the end of 22, not the present state of Alpine

[Mike Harte]

I can't remember if this has been mentioned, but it appears that Alpine are doing the rounds looking for an engine supplier for 2026 and onwards. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...2026/10624346/

[Richard C]

It just seems like the slow death of the current iteration of Renault F1.

Richard

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

I can't remember if this has been mentioned, but it appears that Alpine are doing the rounds looking for an engine supplier for 2026 and onwards. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...2026/10624346/

Mr Saward wrote about this some weeks ago..

Makes sense financially, but doesn’t put the operation at the engine shop in Viry in a good light.

Maybe GM-Cadillac can take on some people.. as Andretti Alpine Adventures comes back to front of mind..

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

So Haas should replace the overly aggressive defending of Magnussen with the overly aggressive defending of Ocon .

I think we have to accept at this point that Ocon is not good for the atmosphere within a team - even if you can talk away his many collisions with teammates. He's fallen out with Perez, Alonso and Gasly, Verstappen clearly doesn't like him either. Does he have any friends on the grid? Of course that doesn't determine his speed - but it does suggest that having Ocon on one side of the garage is going to cause problems at some point.

I think Kevins overtaking performance in Canada was sublime.
He made clean precise moves with few mistakes and didn't take anyone out.
That is not the driving of an overly defensive driver.
What he did earlier in the year was to defend his position in the extreme in order to help a teammate.

That is no different to what Max did to Lewis in Brazil in '21 and no one penalized Max for what he did that day.
Mr Ocon I have never rated that highly but I like him more than Gasly and want him to find a place again on the grid.
If I was hiring for a F1 team on the present driver market Ocon, Mag's, and Sainz would be my go to drivers.

[GTRMagic]

Webber to Renault?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Webber to Renault?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

I think Kevins overtaking performance in Canada was sublime.
He made clean precise moves with few mistakes and didn't take anyone out.
That is not the driving of an overly defensive driver.
What he did earlier in the year was to defend his position in the extreme in order to help a teammate.

That is no different to what Max did to Lewis in Brazil in '21 and no one penalized Max for what he did that day.

FWIW I like Magnussen - my post was more about people complaining Magnussen was too aggressive then suggesting Ocon as a replacement. I'd say Magnussen is aggressive, but consistent, Ocon is aggressive but a lot less predictable - I'd say Ocon was more dangerous than Magnussen.

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Mr Ocon I have never rated that highly but I like him more than Gasly and want him to find a place again on the grid.
If I was hiring for a F1 team on the present driver market Ocon, Mag's, and Sainz would be my go to drivers.

I'd take Sainz or Magnussen over Ocon, for me Ocon is too much of a loose cannon, he's capable of getting good results but is just as likely to put his teammate into the wall.

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Bringing back Flav? Really? That looks like a desperate move from a team that's absolutely lost it.

[Sandgroper]

call me ignorant but what does a 75 year old offer a modern day formula one team?Strategy, knowledge, experience, finance or contacts?

Im curious, im not saying he isnt worthy but what does he offer?

[Born Racer]

Briatore added more titles with Fernando Alonso in the mid-noughties, before vacating his position in 2009 and taking some more time out of F1.

formula1.com playing it uncontroversial there. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...hQ4dBCx36Kpl6q

[chillibowl]

Wow brilliant example of whitewashing there! Why even bother writing the article in the first place? Lol

[S griffin]

Seriously, bringing Briatore back? He may have overseen many titles for Benetton and Renault, but things have changed a lot since he got banned, sorry decided to move on from F1. I doubt he would fit in now

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Seriously, bringing Briatore back? He may have overseen many titles for Benetton and Renault, but things have changed a lot since he got banned, sorry decided to move on from F1. I doubt he would fit in now

I suspect he is going to be really acting as an agent to find the highest bidder as possible for the outfit....

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by chunterer

I suspect he is going to be really acting as an agent to find the highest bidder as possible for the outfit....

Sounds that way. Curious what implication that has on the Ryan Reynolds group that bought in but seems to have been fairly absent since their 25% buy in? Will their part also be sold on?

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by chunterer

I suspect he is going to be really acting as an agent to find the highest bidder as possible for the outfit....

Be interesting to see who wants to do a deal with him….