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Are you really under the impression , that there were 180,000 actual race fans there over the weekend. It's been mentioned countless times before how they do their "counting". Bathurst attracts its annual attendance figures, because people actually go there for the racing. Heck, the place hasn't got much else going for it. The Gold Coast event is a circus with its sideshow attractions to attract the feeble minded. Then of course, there is the counting of the local residents who are annually trapped into viewing the event that they have no interest in whatsoever, and that includes the ones who shoot threw and get out of town for the weekend. |
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So now I've actually seen it (curses MotorsTV, you used to run this 'as live' on the same week-end)
There's a lot to be said for rolling starts if the internationals are going first. Primarily open-wheel racers clearly find a heavy saloon on sticky tyres tough to get moving. I'd also advocate on the shortened circuit bypassing the 1st chicane on the first lap. Corner 2 is a much better 1st corner having room for a decent 2-wide approach. Yellows on the first start. Difficult. Nobody actually stalled, just a bad getaway. Grid marshals wouldn't go yellow for that, but once the shunt had started they hadn't actually reached the first flag point. That said, grid marshals' yellows didn't help much on the second start. Track width is an issue. It is just over 3 cars wide, but there's nowhere left to go when one of them is filled with something stationary. The kink makes it even more difficult to take avoiding action. I still find it exciting watching the track with the thought of 'I've been there, done that'. Happy days. |
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29 Oct 2012, 09:30 (Ref:3159414) | #332 | ||
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technically NFL has higher average crowd attendances for every game, But NASCAR do hold the highest attendance for any race in the world. at Indy 500 with over 350,000 attending one time.
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Yup well over 20,000 at Talledaga about 88,000 for the second race and 108,000 first race Check out the "official" numbers here http://www.jayski.com/pages/tracks-seating.htm Also don't kid yourself that Nascar don't use creative counting as well, like most sports would do when they count how many people are at venues Last edited by St00ge; 29 Oct 2012 at 13:06. |
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As a taxpayer, I am completely over the way sports and entertainment promoters use these methods of counting attendance figures to continue to bleed government funding to support their events, and then walk away with a truckload of money. This is done, all under the guise of supporting the locals and promoting the State. What a crock! Then you talk about justification. Oh, and must anybody with an opposing opinion to yours, be labelled a troll? Get over yourself, old man. |
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Would you rather have NO professional sports or live entertainment at all?! Racetracks, sports stadiums, and concert venues all get public funding in many countries. It's kind of hard for anybody to have any kind of 'big" event without those BIG venues being available to use.
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Ultimately, govts will spend where they think it's appropriate for quality of life benefits to locals, inbound tourism and PR coverage of their govt area. As the govts concerned know how promoters measure their attendance, then I where's the issue? |
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Ernst and Young stated way back in 1995 that the race (as it was then) "does not provide a net benefit to Queenslanders". I would suggest that with what would now be upwards of $100 million poured into this black hole, that the position has not changed and that the option of a permanent facility just up the road should be seriously looked at. Just imagine if a fraction of that amount of money was invested in a permanent circuit, still in the Gold Coast- Brisbane corridor. Sure, the immediate Surfers Paradise area would then miss out, but others would gain. There seems to be a distinct lack of more up to date information in recent times, but with Newmans razor gangs on the case, I think we will be hearing more in the near future. |
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The problem with permanent venues in general is that they aren't as 'in your face' as street circuits and are less likely to attract casual fans. A street circuit causes disruption to an area, with people able to see the event building in the months and weeks prior. This builds anticipation of the event. A permanent circuit just doesn't have this effect, with extra advertising needed to attract a crowd.
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Mike Winlaw CEO of the Surfers Paradise Alliance (Business Group) stated in the local rag that Surfers traders recieved no benefit from this years event and that there were more intoxicated younger folk hanging around Cavall Mall during the days when the racing was on who were only there for the concerts at night. I myself had to throw some out of my place of work in the mall on the Saturday arvo. I asked them what their deal was and why they had to stir up trouble and the answer was "they were there to party". What about the racing ? " Lots of laughing, nah man who cares. Lets party"
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Permanent circuit in the area is interesting. V8s were prepared to tip money into Darlington Park themselves to get it suitable back 7 or 8 years ago but Gold Coast council put the wall up for the circuit owner & blocked that one. Then there was that group who were going to build (allegedly) a "world class" facility around the Norwell area to run Rally Australia and circuit racing - first comment from Peter Beattie at the time was that such a facility wouldn't be permitted due to govt area zoning. Plus of course, SouthAussie is spot on - permanent circuits generally don't pull the same level of event crowd & there are already 2 (3 if you count Morgan Park) permanent circuits in SE Qld so the govt might struggle to be convinced about the need for another. |
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As the Newman government have no issues dragging a couple hundred thousand out of community outreach programs, cultural events and what not, $6million should be a huge amount. But I guess it's sport, so that doesn't count.
Problem is that with QR, Lakeside and Morgan Park, neither have decent facilities...both are a piece of tarmac on a bit of land with the cheapest sheds for the facilities...Between the three of them, they don't compare to Eastern Creek or Phillip Island. |
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Spending $20 million but getting $20million of return or more is a lot better than $6million and not getting it back. |
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Very true but like I said, the govt will have KPIs they want to see achieved and if they are being achieved, all may be well - if they're not being achieved on the other hand...........
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I can do maths to, its quite irrelevant though, unless one of us have some relevant information to add |
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Very true. Listening to the media reports since the event has gone v8 only - I dont get the feeling this is the case.
The fact that the V8SA CEO was quoted in the press saying he "hoped" the Gold Coast would continue was another interesting indicator. |
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I think it is well known that the v8 race is on fixed timed agreement, its no secret, So i would think it is natural for the CEO to say that, Not sure what is inetresting about it. We also know that the QLD government is cutting costs. I find it funny that you think this is an interesting indicator, It would be more interesting if he wasnt saying it! No one is suprised by this, but the haters will hate |
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