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Does the ATCC really want to lose Ford Performance and preside over a Camaro Cup? Do the ATCC teams collectively really want to lose Ford Performance's support and IP approval? Surely the best interests of the sport must come first! Hopefully teams like BJR and MSR will vote rationally when presented with the data showing how the changes are needed to combat technical disparity in time for the 2023 Bathurst 1000km race. |
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2019 a Mustang came online that the other brands could not compete with in it's original form. You were pleased with that. You were also against any changes being made to the cars in that season. Ford Performance did a great job in 2019, in your opinion. What is different now? Oh of cause, The badge. |
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That way the rules would be established and clear. You design the best car you can, it is not going to be cut during the season and the competitor is not going to get concessions during the season . It would be all about coming back and building a better car for the next season and next round of homologation. That would be clear and fine. Instead the precedent was shown to be contrary to that, hence my current calls for urgent in-season changes as were applied during 2019. Quote:
[Just as the VE was designed to outperform the BA/BF for that matter, and the VF designed to outperform the FG. It honestly seems like the BA v VY/VZ, VE v FG and VF v FGX were the only times during Group 3A where at least two of the vehicles were very even -- noting that changes in the EB through EL versus VP through VS days were even more frequent, including in-season!] Meanwhile, both Gen 3 cars were brand new so Ford Performance did not have a reference to design the Mustang to outperform the Camaro and instead, erroneously, put their faith in ATCC processes being able to paritise the vehicles properly. Yet now they are blamed for Chevrolet Racing designing a vehicle that outperforms the Ford Performance vehicle?! Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 3 Oct 2023 at 10:05. |
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The amount of changes we have already seen this year out strips 2019 by a long shot. 888 rocks up in 2019, a week before Bathurst and says "hey we have some more stuff we want to put on our car this weekend" Now what would your answer have been?
How would 888 homologate a car in 2019, against a car they have not seen or race against? |
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13 sets of kit are apparently sitting on the pad at Bathurst waiting for the GM teams to roll over. No mention of spares, or who paid for the kits. Or if they even work. Meantime, Bathurst will become an effluent show whether the adjustments happen or not. It will be a droning continuing subject of commentary… |
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So T8 develop a better car than DJR - expected and not a shock to anyone, but what's that got to do with parity? Is this a prototype series now?
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Again, the series has done a dreadful job of communications… Once they fiddle with the aero, will we see an engine remapping suddenly show up for the Ford on Friday morning, and some shift cut fiddles, a bigger gurney flap, and maybe some of Team Dynamik’s golfball textured paint to slice thru the air better |
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Blaming Ford Performance is just absurd. Do WAU have the same opportunity to win by running Mustangs as they would running Camaros or not? That is what they were promised in a technical parity series, was it delivered? If not, it should be fixed ASAP. Ford Performance teams might just need to run the parts anyway and get disqualified from every session to bring the issue front and centre such that even Skaife and Crompton can't ignore it on the telecast. They aren't in driver's championship contention anyway so it doesn't matter. Hopefully they can win the Bathurst 1000km and then get disqualified to bring the issue all over the mainstream media. |
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I guess someone could just break international motorsport rules to manipulate the result and pay $250k for the cup?
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For whatever reason, ATCC administrators seem closer to 888 Race Engineering than Team Penske, so Team Penske gave up on the uphill battle. Go figure! Honda Performance Development are much happier (in fact, completely happy) with their NTT Indycar Series involvement even though Team Penske not only field entries backed by Chevrolet Racing, but Penske Entertainment runs the series. Funny that and how a competent motorsport organisation can do things properly... Ford Performance and their ATCC involvement? Not so much! |
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Long time Holden fan but a realist...
I honestly think there's just been some monumental cock ups from Supercars here - and blame can be apportioned everywhere (DJR, 888, engine builders, testers, test drivers, etc) but the fact is there's something not quite right with the Mustang. Blame aside - the inconsistency of the Mustang teams and drivers points to chasing a car. The consistency of gun teams Erebus and 888 points to comfort - and the chasing Chev's are still up and down at times, as we've seen for years. How after 18 months of tests and cross over drives there wasn't someone who popped a hand up to complain about rear end sensitivity on long runs, or a test with acceleration or speed until late in the piece is beyond me. Heck - using the F1 model (by design or accident), why did we not move on the chassis and downforce this year, and at least keep the engines which were spec, as they did in 2022? Supercars have changed engine maps and shift cuts mid season based on results - I don't see why they couldn't test the aero package tomorrow and maybe cross a few co-drivers over to validate some live "bum of seat" data. Realistically, that's probably just as scientific as the electronic changes. If not, I am sure there will be some great GT3 racing somewhere I can log on to watch that will be at least fairer with their BOP and in some series success ballast models... |
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There's an established rule for triggering a parity review and it hasn't been met. |
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Make the Chevs worse
Since Ford and its associated techno gumbies in team land cant make their minds up as to what is wrong with the Mustang, add 20kg of ballast to every Chev in the field. |
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At Sandown, after some electronic adjustments after the Friday results (shift cuts) they were - for short distances. If Supercars felt there wasn't a "parity" issue, would they have allowed the electronic adjustment? |
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